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Illinois turkey totals mixed so far

April 17, 2009 at 05:00 AM

While cold, rainy weather has hampered turkey hunting in the North Zone of Illinois, harvest in the South Zone is actually ahead of last year.

Monday’s cold and wet opener put a serious damper on North Zone hunting and first season harvest will likely be down “several hundred birds” according to biologist Paul Shelton. The first day harvest was 417, down 40 percent from last year’s opener of 696. Even so, some big birds fell on opening day: Fred Monroe of Peoria bagged a 27.3-pounder and Joe Bullard of Washington shot a 25.6-pounder.

Weather conditions were significantly better Wednesday through Friday, so hunter success should improve during that period. Through four days of hunting, the zone harvest stood at 1,728, compared to last year’s 2,057. Top five counties after four days were JoDaviess (156), Pike (120), Adams (89), Fulton (86), and Calhoun (67).

The South Zone has seen slight increases in harvest during both the first and second segments of the spring turkey seasons. Hunters took 1,477 birds during first season and 1,216 during the second (1,430 and 1,151 last year, respectively). Top five counties thru two complete seasons are Randolph (176), Pope (153), Union (142), Jefferson (139), and Jackson (126). 

Here’s a county-by-county rundown for preliminary South Zone totals through two seasons.

South_Zone_turkey_totals.pdf

North Zone second season opens Saturday. Mushroom hunters are reminded they must wait to enter the woods until after 1 p.m. on public land. That’s probably also a good idea on private ground.

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“Cold, Rainy weather has hampered”—- If you would have added “Standing Corn”, I’d of thought you were talking about a DNR press release on Deer!

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/17 at 11:55 AM

LOL. I was thinking that too.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/17 at 12:03 PM

Wait a minute is this the man who said that we will have a banner season for turkeys a few months back in some of his press releases.  What happened Paul is your data right on or are you using your new TVC reports to regulate the turkey too!  With the harvest being down 40 percent I assume they will just start issuing tags OVC and they will be good for any county sounds about right.  TYPICAL SOUND MANAGEMENT…..

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/17 at 01:12 PM

Hmmm. The Man, you must have read a story somewhere else. The story we ran said reproduction was down—a point that was argued by many of our regular commenters.

Posted by Jeff Lampe on 04/17 at 04:21 PM

Jeff
I don’t know where he is getting some of his info, BUT the Shelton & Company, ARE already seriously looking into making IL turkey tags OTC. They have already sent out hunter surveys to see what IL turkey hunters think of it. Some IDNR people seriously think our IL turkey hunting program, should be set up like Missouri ????????
Any one in their right mind, that has ever driven through IL & Missouri can tell that these two states turkey habitat are as different as night & day.
What it all boils down to again, is our IDNR is looking for a way to sell more tags, put more people in the woods & do away with years of properly set up county by county hunting quota’s that have established IL’s turkey population.
IF, our IDNR does try to re-pattern our IL turkey hunting, to mirror Missouri’s. That would make our IDNR’s resent years of mismanagement of the deerherd, pail in comparison.
Jeff Lampe, would you please try to keep us hunters informed on what you can find out about our IDNR’s efforts to totally revamp our IL turkey hunting program ??????
Maybe you can even publish the survey, that the IDNR sent out just, a couple months ago. So everyone here can see what a our IDNR is thinking of doing.
I think that most serious turkey hunters will be shocked, to see that the IDNR is even considering, such a move here. I now I was.
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THANKS for the great updates ( as usual ) Jeff !!!!

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/17 at 07:07 PM

Tim…..I also loved your standing corn comment.
8^)

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/17 at 07:12 PM

One more thing I forgot to add.
Our IDNR is looking into totally revamping our IL turkey hunting program, when our state does not have a Turkey Biologist employed ???????
Does that make any sense to any who have ever hunted turkey’s ?????
It sure baffles me, that is for sure.
This is the kind of stuff that makes concerned hunters start to question a lot of the decision our IDNR has & is making with all our hunting programs.
I might add that our IDNR had already started looking into this turkey hunting program revamp, long before Marc Miller was put in charge.
HOPEFULLY…...Marc will straighten this out & a few other management programs, that are being misguided, soon !!
Before more damage is done.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/17 at 08:02 PM

We hunted Greene County (Northern Zone) Mon-Wed and saw a number of Birds.  The weather definitely hampered the gobbling after they hit the ground, but two of three of us were still able to bag a couple nice ones.  My brother harvested a 26 lb’er on the Mon opener and I tagged a nice 21 lb’er on Wed.  Time in the blind paid off eventually despite the colder weather.  Stick it out guys, I had a bird gobblin his head off watching my Pretty Boy from 100 yards away from 12:30 through and past legal shooting time on Mon.  Good luck to everyone!

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/17 at 09:33 PM

Lots of birds my way just can’t arrow one.  I think Shelton spends too much time in the office and not enough time afield.  Word is alot of people are seeing lots of birds and that is statewide.  What does a “duck biologist” know about turkeys anyway?
My sons turn is tommorow and he has a boom stick so we will even the playing field. If the clowns at the circus decide to make turkey tags OTC then plan on our turkey population going to hell just as our deer herd has under Shelton.  Its time Shelton knocks the dust off his boots and hits the road.  Meantime congrads to all who were fortunate enough to bag a thunder chicken.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/17 at 10:40 PM

I am sick of all this tired bashing. Anybody notice how more Web sites are eliminating the comment mode. I wonder why? We won’t do that because there is too much good that comes from the exchange of ideas and information on this site. Unfortunately, there’s a lot of tired trashing and misinformation mixed in with the good.

This thread is a perfect example. The standing corn comment was hilarious. Then The Man prints something opposite to the truth. Then Lynn says Shelton is trying to make turkey tags OTC. I spoke to Shelton. My hunch is that’s the last thing he wants. But he doesn’t make every decision. Has he made errors? Probably. I’m guessing most do in their jobs. Is everything he does an error? No.

I’d hate to live under the expectations some commenters stipulate. Specifically the one that isn’t spoken but that clearly reads, “Unless you do exactly what I want, I will pout.” Come to think of it that’s the way my kids approach life. But they are all under the age of 7.

Posted by Jeff Lampe on 04/18 at 08:14 AM

He is a duck biologist managing our deer herd.  Name one thing he has done to improve our deer herd and I will quit bashing him.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/18 at 10:48 AM

I take back everything I have said about Shelton, he is a great man and has done so many great things for our deer herd. LOL   Freedom of speech is gone boys.  Even PSO is headed towards socialization.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/18 at 11:38 AM

Sounds to me that someone may be in Lampe’s back pocket.  I hope that are turkey heard keeps moving forward cause right now it is great.  All it takes is a few years of OTC or mismanagemet in some form and it is gone like the deer heard.  Sure Jeff my comment may have been off but not by much look at the clowns the dnr has running the show and like it has been stated many times WHAT HAVE THEY DONE FOR THE OUTDOORSMAN IN THIS STATE IN THE PAST DECADE THAT HAS BEEN POSITIVE!!!!! PERIOD.  Why have this forum if you or anyone else does not want to hear some criticism.  Getting a little sensitive.  Well the turkey season is getting good hope everyone has success since the past deer season was horrible..

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/18 at 02:56 PM

Hey Jeff,
How about the request to see the survey that was set out to some turkey hunters???? I know that I would really like to see what it says in black and white. I missed my chance to read it when is was sent to a good friend of mine, he filled it out ( he told me it had almost 100 questions on it) and sent it back so I know that this was done. I would like more info about some of the changes that may be coming down the pipes before they happen. As for the deer problems, that is old news that none of us can do anything about. Lets look at the problems that may come up in the future like the decreasing amount of land to hunt for hunters with thin billfolds.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/18 at 07:13 PM

I agree with Mr. Lampe.  If you have nothing constuctive or humorous to add - Save your BLOWHARD routine for your wife or your buddies at the bar!

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/18 at 08:17 PM

People can say what the hell the want in our county.  Usually when my kid wants something or wants to be someones bud he sucks up to them.  Hmmm I wonder who that is. From what I have read so far on this site your suppose to sit back and keep your mouth shut and not say your anything.  We would still be under british rule if it werent for americans voicing their views.  I won’t be visiting this communistic web site anymore. It sux

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/18 at 08:55 PM

I would love otc permits missouri has them look at their turkey populations gives people more time to hunt isnt that what its about

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/18 at 10:35 PM

Jeff
Don’t know what your “hunch is”, but I know for a FACT, that the IDNR is looking into making IL turkey tags OTC.
I have read the IDNR’s survey first hand. Helped the wife fill out her survey & send it back. I have talked to John Buhnerkempe personally, about what the IDNR is looking into. Myself & a lot concerned turkey hunters have voiced our concerned about these possible changes to John.
Most turkey hunters & maybe even you, are unaware of the IDNR looking into changing the turkey hunting program. I am trying to let people know about what is ACTUALLY going on over in Springfield, before it is to late.
Jeff IF, I posted any misinformation, please let me know.
I am a huge believer in hunters being properly &  well informed about their sport & every aspect about it. That is why many of us follow sites like this, to stay on top of what is going on with our IL outdoors. A lot of us do all we can to protect it too. If we think that it could be in jeopardy of possibly being misused, mismanaged, threatened, ect…we are not going to stand by & just let it happen. Sorry we may have to “pout” some, to get things changed, stopped, promoted, ect….
As you can read, their are other hunter who are very interested, in reading for themselves, what the IDNR is really asking in their surveys.
As I already suggested, posting that survey & doing a story, will open a lot more eyes.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/18 at 10:44 PM

Flathead - please stick to fish

 


Jeff- This site has seen success because it has allowed Illinois sportsmen to vent the anger which has brewed for over a decade. If you take that away you are going to lose a lot of traffic. I would propose that you try to get Shelton on here for a live chat “question & answer” session once a week for a couple of hours, say every Wed evening from 7-9pm or whatever. In fact alternate between various DNR people but make sure Shelton is here at least once a month and Marc Miller is here at least once a month. Then you could still have a chance to bring in people like Buhnerkempe and the fish biologists who are so impressed with our deer management. Oh, if you do look into this proposal make sure that the question and answer session isnt rigged like the DNR surveys with feeble-minded questions. Make sure these guys get to talk to real hunters with genuine concerns. If they want to put out the fire, let them get on here and do it rather than trying to silence those whom they work for. If you will take this proposal and do it, your traffic will sky-rocket and I will personally advertise on your site as long as I get the webpage that has the live chat. Don

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/19 at 08:13 AM

Jeff- one more thing; everyone is asking for a single positive step that Shelton has taken with our deer herd, (and strangely even his supporters dont have an answer) maybe you can interview him for an article and lay out all the things he has done that he considers positive steps for the deer herd ... and have him explain what exactly the positive result was for each of those steps???

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/19 at 08:29 AM

Don, that’s a great idea! Unfortunetly I don’t think that will ever come to fruition.They don’t want to answer to their mistakes to people that are educated in deer management.I doubt Jeff will want to get them in here and throw them to the wolves.It is an awesome idea if any of them have the fortitude to do it but I won’t hold my breathe.If they dont have the sac to run a good deer program that may take making tough decisions,I doubt very much they have the sac to stand up and answer for it.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/19 at 08:55 AM

Turkeys ? .... Hmmm not only are the birds tough to get, I guess for some of us so are the tags…I decided that at the last minute I would put in for my land owner / tenant tag…...its been printed for 3 weeks and still havent recieved it…my buddy sent in for a left over tag a little over a week ago and has it already ??????.....PW

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/19 at 09:42 AM

I OFFERED THE TURKEY SURVEY TO ANYONE WHO WANTED IT SEVERAL WEEKS AGO WHEN IT FIRST CAME OUT. NO ONE ASK FOR IT. THE THOUGHT OF COPYING MISSOURI’S PROGRAM IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS. I ACTUALLY TALKED TO TURKEY HUNTERS WHO FAVORED THE PROPOSED PROGRAM NOT EVEN THINKING OF THE CONSEQUENCES FOR THE AVERAGE GUY WHO HAS TO HUNT PUBLIC GROUND.
I WAS TOLD BY MIKE CONLIN DIRECTOR OF WILDLIFE RESOURCES THAT THE SURVEY WAS NOT A CONCEPT THEY WERE PURSUEING BUT ONLY TRYING TO GET A HANDLE ON PUBLIC OPINION. THE “MISSOURIS CONCEPT” IS BEING PUSHED BY SOME FACTIONS AND THAT IS A FACT! I WOULD GUESS THE FACTIONS ARE POLITICAL IN NATURE AND THAT WOULD FIT. FOR ME WHERE THERE IS SMOKE THERE IS FIRE. I REALLY DOUBT THE LADY AT THE NATURAL HISTORY SURVEY CAME UP WITH THE IDEA. THAT LEAVES IT TO ONE OF TWO PEOPLE IN SPRINGFIELD URGED ON BY UNKNOWN FACTIONS AT THIS POINT.
DIRECTOR MILLER STATED SEVERAL DAYS AGO HE WAS NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE TURKEY PROGRAM UNTIL HE HAD A FULL TIME BIOLOGIST IN PLACE. MY WORDS TO HIM ARE - LET’S NOT HIRE A NEW YOUNG BIOLOGIST WANTING TO WRITE A RESUME AND LET’S NOT TRY TO FIX SOMETHING THAT “AIN’T BROKE”
WHERE ELSE CAN YOU GO AND HAVE OVER 6 WEEKS FROM WHICH TO PICK YOUR HUNTING DATES? IS THAT BETTER THAN BEING LIMITED TO 3 WEEKS WITH EVERY TOM, DICK AND HARRY IN THE WOODS AT THE SAME TIME? ARE YOU PREPARED TO WEAR FLOURESCENT ORANGE ON PUBLIC GROUND WHEN YOU HUNT TURKEYS? THAT’S EXACTLY WHERE IT COULLD LEAD AFTER 5 OR 6 “ACCIDENTS.”
IF YOU WANT THE SURVEY JUST E-MAIL ME DIRECT BY CLICKING ON MY HANDLE AND I WILL SEND IT TO YOU.
OF NOTE I SENT THIS TO JEFF L. WHEN I RECEIVED IT FROM THE IL. NATURAL SURVEY AND SUGGESTED IT BE POSTED FRONT PAGE…..IT WASN’T.
HERE IS MY E-MAIL TO JEFF AT THE TIME AND HIS RESPONSE.\
“FROM JEFF”
I am doing a turkey story soon and will run that on the front page.

JEFF

From: FISH85458 [mailto:FISH85458@COMCAST.NET]
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:46 PM
To: Jeff Lampe
Subject: TURKEY/SHELTON

JEFF,

CAN YOU MOVE THE TURKEY STORY TO FRONT PAGE STATUS? THERE’S ENOUGH INTEREST RIGHT NOW TO JUSTIFY IT. BESIDES THE TURKEY SURVEY NEEDS SOME EXPOSURE ON IT’S OWN.

BLB

ENOUGH SAID…......BLB

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Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/19 at 09:52 AM

State Parks, deer, turkey, fishing, etc. all revolve around DNR and POLITICS! We need The Politics OUT of Illinois DNR!

Deer numbers and quality have been going down for about 10 years now and turkey population for about 5 years in our areas.

Blue Tongue ? on the deer and possibly Too many Late Season Tags where they are Not Needed for The Late Winter Season Antlerless Deer Hunt!

Bobcats and coyotes and coons I think are very hard on the TURKEY population. We have a season on coon and coyotes…..let’s get one NOW for Bobcats! THEY are doing DAMAGE to our wildlife…including deer. I’ve noticed also thru the last 10 years also that Redtail Hawks are very damaging to a lot of our wildlife game animals! What’s the answer there ?? I have No Idea….but WE have protected them to BECOME a Serious PROBLEM! I see too many attacking and on ‘critters’ thruout Spring and Summer and Fall. CRP has made a haven of a “buffet of wildlife” food for them and they are too many in Population! They even eat young turkeys after hatch and I have even seen them try and take down adult turkeys too.

“Change” does need to come into play now! NOT Political Change….but change within The DNR Dept. to really manage OUR wildlife! Listen to The Sportsmen of Illinois, MOST of us know actually what is really happening Out There! Take the politics OUT of Our DNR and put some qualified Biologist in DNR…some that really CARE and not just drawing a pay check till retirement.

The Turkey Hunting Survey was a ‘good thing’! We’ll see where that goes as for ‘change’. Like all wildlife issues, it’s AREA SPECIFIC and NOT State Wide in regards to population plus or minus in density! I say Areas and NOT by a whole County! Areas within a county can and are very different in wildlife population. Some areas HIGH in population and some areas LOW in population on most species of Game Animals!

Let’s get spmething POSITIVE done for Wildlife and Illinois Sportsmen!  (just my $.02 cents)

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/19 at 10:03 AM

A TURKEY BIOLOGIST….YES A TURKEY BIOLOGIST FOR THE TURKEY PROGRAMS !!!!!!!!

I would really like to hear of some nice refreshing news that we have put a good turkey biologist on board…..years back over in Kentucky, they were having some problems with their turkey in some areas…A turkey biologist by the name of George Wright went to bat and really put the show back on the road…As I understand it he ended up helping with turkey programs all over the United States…I even talked to him a time or 2 myself over the phone about my farm turkey habitat….The man knew his business and knew it well….He has since passed on, but it would be such a nice blessing to find a good turkey biologist with true ambition and dedication to bettering our birds and turkey programs…...Wouldnt that be nice ?.......PW

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/19 at 10:15 AM

I have to agree with BradB.  I’ve been in so many meetings now with DNR I can’t remember which one it was at.  I was thinking it was at the IBS chili supper with John B.  He was asked about the survey, and he flat out said that the DNR didn’t like the proposal to change the seasons, but there was enough support for it to put out a hunter survey to get public input… across the board It left a lot of us wondering WHO was pushing for the change, since it was clear that the DNR wasn’t in favor of it.

     

Sound familiar?

     

Enough hunters voiced their concern about having a September doe-only season that the DNR sent out a survey to get hunter opinion.  This was after they had just done a survey during the JTF.  It doesn’t mean that they’re ready to implement September (or they would have done it by now), but they did send out a survey.  Surveys aren’t proof of anything.  They also asked a few times if residents wanted to limit NR archery permits, and they went against our wishes then, too.

     

Marc Miller has been with DNR for what… 2-3 months?  He’s still under Blago’s budget (which means no money).  The new budget, if approved, won’t even take affect until July 1.  Miller has said he’d like to hire a turkey biologist.  And the next turkey season is 12 months away.  Why are so upset over things at this point?  My guess is that the season won’t change.

Posted by KC-IBS on 04/19 at 11:20 AM

KC, THE JDTF DEAL HAS DRUG OUT WAY TOO LONG. WHAT PERSON IN THE WORLD COULD ARGUE WITH THIS STATEMENT TO THE PROMOTERS OF JDTF OR THE PROMOTERS OF ANY CHANGE TO THE TURKEY PROGRAM.
PROPOSED LETTER FROM MILLER TO THOSE PROMOTERS -
” GENTLEMEN,
I HAVE JUST TAKEN OFFICE AS DIRECTOR OF THE IDNR. THIS IS AN AGENCY TOTALLY DEVASTATED BY THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION. I WOULD BEG OF ALL OF YOU TO ALLOW ME TO GET MY FEET ON THE GROUND BEFORE MAKING MAJOR CHANGES TO ANY PROGRAM. THE DEER PROGRAM AT THIS POINT DOES NOT EVEN HAVE AN UP TO DATE SET OF GOALS. THE TURKEY PROGRAM HAS NOT HAD A BIOLOGIST IN PLACE FOR 5 YEARS.
I AM ONLY ASKING FOR A FEW MONTHS SO THAT MYSELF AND MY STAFF CAN TOTALOLY EVALUATE THESE ISSUES. WHEN WE ARE DEALING WITH ISSUES WHICH AFFECT THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF OUR CITIZENS WE NEED TO BE SURE WE ARE MAKING THE RIGHT ONES.

SINCERELY”

WHO WOULD TAKE ISSUE WITH THAT APPROACH FROM MILLER???

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/19 at 11:40 AM

This isnt my issue.  I know about as much about turkeys as i do about tap dancing.  I do think this site is needed because it gives a voice to the people whom the DNR is working for.  But the problem with our democracy is that for some reason… a government job is the only job in america in which you do not have to listen to the people who pay your salary.  ODD isnt it?  I think that is why we are sooo frustrated in this case. 

YOu can look at numerous sites and see what happens when they censor their respondents.  I wont mention any sites by name but they basically have the moderator saying TTT once a week on 3 or 4 threads and this is about half the total posts on the site. 

I love higgins idea of having government workers interact with the people in which they serve.  But higgins… Why work the government job if you actually have the responsibility of having to listen to who pays your check?

Why is the kill down?  Well i dont know it might be because i have had 3 people show me turkeys opening week and NONE of them had a tag on them?  It appears that a turkey fits neatly into a ground blind bag… and all you have to do is get it to the truck and your home free.  The same guy that brought 2 of them by is an friend of a friend that stated that he could use one buck tag all year… tie it around the antler… take it off… and retie it on the next one… and as long as you never call it in…. you can keep reusing the same tags.  So inless a CPO visually sees that same hunter shoot both deer nothing will hold up in court with this method. 

So as mentioned above… is making easy hunter access the goal?  HELL NO! The easier you make it for hunters to gain tags and the less monitoring of them… the more of this that will happen.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/19 at 12:02 PM

Not upset here…..just trying to make sure my 2 cents is being heard hitting the bottom of the can…The reason I brought up the Biologist plug   again was to keep it fresh on the table in hopes that,” like so many other important and critical areas ” it doesnt fall through the cracks or get swept under the rug and forgotten….which at times seems to be the norm…........PW

Oh…..and I didnt recieve a turkey survey….so to me this is my survey comments section…..I have hunted turkeys from Wyoming to West Virginia, on down into Mississippi, and I have delt with several different types of permit systems in doing so…....Wish I had caught the actual survey…........PW

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/19 at 12:06 PM

Brad
Please e-mail me a copy of your IDNR turkey survey.
.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
Don’t click on my name below, it is my old e-mail that is no longer in use.
Thanks Brad.
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The problem with just coming out & asking the general hunting public about how the IDNR should a lot permits, is that a vast majority of hunters do not fully understand why IL has ALWAYS had a drawing for spring turkey permits & deer gun permits.
Some hunters only think that it would make it much easier to just go to Walmart & buy a 2-3 week long permit.
They don’t know & aren’t being told all the down sides of OTC permits, statewide turkey hunting permits, all day hunting, hunter density numbers, safety issues, land access, ect….
IF, the IDNR would at least tell hunters a lot of the pros & cons of such actions, it would greatly effect different survey results.
In any survey, it has a lot to do with how the questions are asked, who is asked & what information that they are given or have knowledge of.
IF, many of our IDNR biologist are strongly against such actions, WHY is our IDNR looking into possibly changing the whole turkey hunting program ?????
Their are a ton of red flags on this one people.
Someone need to write a story on this & inform more hunters of what is really going on in Springfield.
Brad, I & others have been doing our part on this one & will continue to do what we can, BUT we need more help & need to make more hunters knowledgeable about this subject, so they too can also make their own informed opinions on important subjects like this.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/19 at 02:28 PM

As alot of us can remember there used to be a turkey check station too but it was also eliminated by the state.  In reference to ClintHarveys comments, elimination of check stations has just made it alot easier on the dirtbags whom continue to steal our game.  Its like a local celeb who in order to fill his requests for video footage he harvested 9 bucks in one year then several years later harvested a buck in one county, then put his tag from another county on it and then filtered pictures of it into local hunting stores.  He was turned in and pleaded guilty to charges but elimination of check stations allows guys to do this and to do it more often.  Bottom line is at least with check stations things could be monitored a little better to see if this is just a trend. Whether its a turkey or a deer if check stations were reopened data could be collected and maybe some of these gross infractions could be eliminated.  I know there are always gonna be people who buck the system but there may also be a few that are caught.  I know that our local archery deer check station monitored things closely and if there were any indication that foul play was involved they called the CPO.  Its pretty simple.  If Shelton stepped up and decided to reopen check stations you might see less bitchin and that would be one step in a positive direction on his part.  The sum of $160,000 for running check stations has floated around this website on many occasions and I beleive with some creative thought there would be some way to decrease this number significantly. I wish someone would point out some of the other logical excuses for the elimination of check stations. As for a real turkey biologist, I can’t wait. I will feel more comfortable having someone looking after our flock whos best interest is in the flock instead of political gain.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/19 at 02:30 PM

I agree that this site could be very effective by giving sportsmen/women a voice. It can show the state and DNR the true concerns of some of the people most concerned with our state’s natural resources. But I can also see where Jeff is coming from. Freedom of speech? Yes, of course. But what about a little class? It’s not in the constitution but it will get you pretty far, especially in the eyes of the public, any legislator, politician, or any state biologist that might be reading this.
But then again, no one said hunters were classy…LOL.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/19 at 04:56 PM

To everyone asking the one thing that Shelton did right, here’s one answer. He instituted the two-buck rule.

What’s that you say, Shelton doesn’t deserve credit for that decision. That’s true. The real credit for that goes to Tim Walmsley and others who supported his crusade toward limiting the number of bucks killed.

But here’s the rub: if you are going to blame Shelton for every bad decision made regarding the deer herd, you have to credit him for the good ones, too.

Posted by Jeff Lampe on 04/19 at 08:59 PM

Jeff, I have been expecting Shelton to get credit for the 2 buck limit from the day I first challenged anyone to put forth something positive that he has done for the deer herd. The truth however is that 1. It wasnt his idea and 2. he fought it for quite a while until angry mobs of hunters started strongly voicing their support at public meetings. (the reason for the new approach for DNR public meetings) Furthermore ask Walmsley about the rigged surveys that were put out concerning the 2 buck limit. They are strikingly similar to the ones now being put out concerning the late season; you know, they give you 2 options, the one they want and one that is even worse and then ask you to choose while leaving off the best option. That is the Shelton/Buhnerkempe model for making a survey reveal what they want it to reveal.


So Jeff, while I have been prepared to respond to the 2-buck limit argument I sure didnt expect it to come from you; can you come up with an original Shelton idea to improve the quality of the deer herd in Illinois that he put forth? I will even accept an idea that he put forth publicly but that was struck down by politicians, the farm bureau, insurance companies, a DNR director or whatever. I think I am being as fair to him in this debate as I can be by just allowing an “idea” even if that idea never got anywhere. I mean if the only thing this guy can stand on is the 2-buck limit which was promoted and had to be fought for by Tim Walmsley and other Illinois hunters .... well thats not much of a resume after nearly 20 years.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/19 at 09:20 PM

why can archery hunters buy otc permits but turkey hunters cant you guys blame shelton blago farmers outfitters what about our very own state grown poachers you know the ones we call good old boys or their only feeding their family its time to back our DNR or quit hunting I have never seen so many experts on one website.I wonder with so many experts out in the field how could our deer herd have vanished

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/19 at 09:44 PM

IN my opinion, the NR cap being what it is then saying ” hey we need to kill more deer” has got to be a sign of complete stupidity.  They want those of us that live in counties of low DVC to kill off deer so the outfitters dont have to kill off theirs.  I find it rediculous. 

Higgins,  didnt walmsley have to get petitions and everything to get that 2 buck limit passed?  I was pretty young at the time and dont have much of a memory but from what ive always heard it was a pretty big fight.  Likely the reason it was won is because we likely had the outfitters on our side for that one.  But like i said i dont remember it too well. I do know that it would take more good management ideas than 1 to make up for his NR cap/we have to reduce our herd/we need more under op in this state…. triple talk.  That whole argument seems like its coming from someone whose works for the government.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/19 at 09:53 PM

because of idiots who are dumb enough to believe whatever the DNR tells them while ignoring what their eyes see and common sense tells them?

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/19 at 09:54 PM

Clint, my last post should have been before yours. You must have posted while I was typing.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/19 at 09:56 PM

hunter… Here is how i divide up the responsibility This is going to be one of those classic posts by the way

1.  bubba’s account for 40 percent.  These arent the poachers.  These are your common goof that uses terms like ” as long as its legal” “if the man has the tag in his pocket”.... he doesnt have to use his brain is think is the rest statement i think.  These are the ones who think ethical and legal are the same thing.  So its legal for a man to go out and shoot everything he sees then its ok and how can you blame the man.  SOOO many of these out there.
2. poachers… 20 percent.  These count goofs like the one i mentioned who mistag as well as goofs that go out and shoot at night in headlights.  I personally would love to see this as a felony and have argued for it many times.  I would love to see the point system currently used dropped and one blatant conviction for killing a deer or big game animal like turkey and the man never hunt or own a gun again.  One of our arguments for keeping our guns is recreation… this doesnt included acting like a fool. 
3. 30 percent is the DNR. 15 percent is the funding other 15 percent is that they really dont do anything.  Do they have any idea how many deer are out there?  Do they have any idea the age structure?  Do they have any idea the ratios?  NO… they make half a million dollars a year off tags alone from NRs from tags alone.  And they cant pay 160 k for check stations and data collection?  granted there are better and cheaper ways to do this but my goodness they dont do anything.  I WOULD LOVE to see the breakdown where this funding goes.  They also do as i say above… create their own problems such as the NR cap but think of ways to fix them in areas where they dont need fixed.  I understand their Model here very well… a dead deer in illinois is still a dead deer in illinois.  It doesnt matter if its in central IL or pike county. 
4 disease.  I think it did get a few bucks might have helped if the state had some idea what was going on there but that would take them actually earning their pay check and maybe finding out what a turkey mite bite feels like…

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/19 at 10:06 PM

oh i missed something… back our dnr or quit hunting… hummm i personally see more options than that.  For what it is worth i do understand their problems… If you see sheltons research… its easy to see their problems

http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1036&context=icwdm_wdmconfproc

What are they suppose to do with so many different views on the herd?

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/19 at 10:17 PM

Clint, I am with you on the point system.  The wormdirt I talked about is a local celeb here in the Peoria area and not a very ethical hunter in my eyes but still people love to watch him launch arrows at fish and other game.  He pleaded guilty to his infractions and was handed a bill from the state and issued 5 points. As far as I am concerned he should be banned from all outdoor channels, deer classics, etc, etc.  That type is not the type we want representing us as hunters.  Our current system has allowed for this to occur more often when it comes to deer and turkeys and it makes me sick.  I personnaly beleive check stations might detour some of these infractions but what do I know?  How often does this happen?  Nobody knows but there are sure ALOT of people out there that slip and say they didn’t check in all their deer or turkeys.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/20 at 07:01 AM

what the current wildlife Div. came up with in 90/91, with the deregulation of the deer permit system, was virtual unlimited buck harvest—no cap for N/R hunters-And “NO Access Outdoors Illinois"for residents. Although that one was all manning-actually, I guess it was ALL under Manning wasn’t it-

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/20 at 09:28 AM

Jeff, remember that those check stations applied a orange leg tag that was tougher than a kroger porkchop to get off.  Around my area people are always going to check each others deer out so if you notice it doesn’t have one, then you turn em in.  I only wish it were that easy.  You bring up a valid point.  What I saw at our archery check station were alot of guys willing to show off their trophies.  Now they just sneak em home and tag em with their wifes tag who has never hunted in her life.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/20 at 05:37 PM

Ok, guys. This will be my first turkey hunt. I have season 5. I am all excited about it. Have no clue what i am in for, all i have is what my husband has said about his turkey hunts. My kids are tired and roll their eyes when i walk around the house with the turkey call in my mouth yelping. LOL Counting down the days now. I know it is a challenge, but that is what i like. I am taking the approach like i do when i deer hunt. I may and may not come home with anything. I never get mad at my self if i miss and dont see anything. For me it is a chance to learn by my mistakes. So this is how i am goin into turkey hunting. Wish me luck and good luck to all that is still hunting and that is a nice bird for all those who have.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 04/20 at 06:25 PM

Rebel01
Here are a few pointers for your 1st turkey hunt from another woman. First off you will need lots of bug spray for ticks and bugs. The ticks are really plentiful this year. If your hunting from a blind you will need a plastic coffee can for the call of nature since you can’t leave the blind once you are in it. Some snacks and a drink cause it can get really quiet and boring if there is no action. Some women take books to read. Not me because I don’t want to miss anything. I did take my ipod this year and listened to music while I watched for the birds. I have experienced that my husband likes to take a nap. I can’t do that because I am afraid I will miss something. Your trip will be awesome….getting into the blind before daylight and listening to the birds and animals wake up. Then when the turkeys start gobbling you will get all excited….its kinda like going shopping the day after Thanksgiving. Then when you get a bird close enough to shoot the adrilaline really flows. I can’t explain the feelings you will experience.If you have any questions please e-mail me. I have been turkey hunting for 4 years. Got a bird 2 out of the 4. Don’t worry I had never hunted Turkeys before and after the 1st year I was hooked. It always seems though that after 1:00 in the afternoon you will see more Turkeys than you did during hunting hours.
Have a good hunt.

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