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Rethinking the antlerless season

January 07, 2010 at 12:27 PM

A growing number of Illinois deer hunters have been screaming for deer hunting regulations which help promote a healthy and well-balanced whitetail herd. At times hunters have been left feeling like their reasonable pleas have fallen on deaf ears within the Department of Natural Resources.

Admittedly, hunters cannot fully appreciate the political hurdles that our DNR must clear each time they try to do the right thing. And I am not sure that concerned hunters have always done the best job expressing their desires to the DNR. I say this because I recently listened to a DNR employee on an outdoor radio show and his interpretation of the views expressed to DNR by hunters looking for a well managed deer herd were simply “off-base” from any views that I or anyone that I am aware of have expressed.

This person seemed to believe that there is an outspoken group who “wants to protect every button buck in the state until it wears Boone & Crocket class antlers” and that this same group wants a deer population significantly higher than it is today. Both assumptions are totally wrong.

Along with a small army of other concerned Illinois hunters, I have been involved for many years in efforts to get our DNR to manage our deer herd for better quality. Other than a limit on the number of bucks which can be shot, I know of no efforts to force any sort of restrictions on bucks which can be shot or which are off limits.

There has been occasional banter by a very few individuals concerning regulations such as antler point restrictions or spread limits. These ideas were never embraced by a large group and are frankly not the kind of regulation changes that are needed. In fact these ideas are not supported by the majority of those hunters who have actively lobbied our DNR for positive regulation changes.

Instead we have asked for some simple tweaking of the current regulations so that the results are a deer herd that is more balanced in terms of sex ratios and age structure. In the past DNR admitted to managing Illinois deer herd simply by numbers, without regards to other herd dynamics. This is what many of us oppose.

Simple issues such as the timing of seasons can go a long way towards improving our whitetail herd and the enjoyment that all Illinois citizens get from it. A perfect example is the timing of our Illinois antlerless season.

Our current approach of harvesting surplus antlerless deer at the end of the hunting season can be greatly improved by moving it to the other end of the hunting season; in September. In fact many other states are already doing it. The benefits are so overwhelming that they cannot be ignored.

1. Participation: In September hunters are itching to get to the woods, weather is good and does are easier to pattern. Inlate December and January many hunters have had their fill of hunting, have their freezers full of venison and the weather can be brutal. We saw that last weekend during a frigid first segment of the late-winter hunt that saw reduced hunter participation.

A September hunt is also much more appealing to youth, women and older hunters. With hunter numbers declining and DNR looking for ways to “increase recreation opportunity”, a September antlerless season makes perfect sense.

2. Harvesting target animals: The whole reason for the antlerless season is to harvest female deer to control or decrease population growth. During the January season many bucks that have shed their antlers get shot as do button bucks which are hard to distinguish from their mothers at this time. A September alternative completely eliminates any shed bucks from being shot and at this time it is far easier to distinguish mature does from button buck fawns.

Furthermore, any deer that survives through 3+ months of hunting season is a pretty tough challenge come January. A September season is far superior for harvesting the target animals (does)

3.Timing: One major negative of any whitetail herd is the deer-vehicle accidents that are inevitable. Having an antlerless season before the period of highest deer-vehicle crashes should help decrease the number of these accidents and makes far more sense than having it after the peak time for these accidents.

4. Benefits to the herd:- Research and surveys have proven that most hunters want to harvest about two deer per season as this is about what they will utilize during a year. With the January antlerless season, many hunters have already filled all the tags they care to and often with two bucks. The September alternative allows hunters a chance to get some venison in the freezer before they even start hunting for bucks. 

Admittedly, a September antlerless season may or may not have much effect on the buck harvest during later seasons. But it will surely decrease the number of bucks shot during it. Furthermore, our current late antlerless season coincides with the regular archery season where both bucks and does are legal game.

It is easy to imagine bucks getting shot with firearms during the late antlerless season and then tagged with archery tags and called in as archery harvests. This is just another reason to move the antlerless season to September.

In summary, an antlerless season can and should do much more than just kill some more deer. A well thought out antlerless campaign can address the issue of population control while also having the benefit of getting the sex ratio of a herd in line. I don’t think anyone could successfully argue the merits of a January antlerless season over the September alternative. This is but one example of how tweaking our current deer hunting regulations can result in a healthier and more balanced deer herd while also offering other benefits such as population control and hunter opportunity.

In closing I want to express my opinion that the best way to address any concerns we have with the management of our deer herd is through the DNR, not through legislators. It seems in recent years too many special interest groups have begun taking their plights to legislators and trying to legislate their desires. This is the wrong approach.

Think about it: the vast majority of legislators have probably never even been hunting and yet some are asking these folks to vote on hunting and wildlife management issues. We may not always agree with the DNR or even question the motives of some individuals within DNR but that is still the group ultimately responsible for the management of our deer herd and the group we should be taking our concerns to. As we strive to improve Illinois whitetail herd, moving the antlerless season to September would seem to be without negative consequences and a no-brainer.

It is these kinds of changes that benefit both the herd and the hunter that most of us wish for. Having the DNR working with concerned hunters to make this happen is a positive step in the right direction. Hopefully it is only the first step.

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Great idea. I couldn’t agree more. With all the concerns as of late with the overall herd numbers it just makes sense to push it back into September.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 01:07 PM

Great article, Don.  I think you are right on.  The one thing I’d like to see with the Sept. anterless only season is the use of check stations.  I’m convinced that the numbers being reported are unfortunately under-reported.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 01:09 PM

Sounds like a great idea.  Should be a management tool that also gets young/new hunters in the woods.  Hope the state gives this a try.  bpsaps

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 01:14 PM

Here are three things that diminish participation in Sept.
1) Standing corn.
2) Heat - some hunters do not want to rush to a meat locker nor contend with bugs.
3) Harvest time.

I don’t see an early antlerless season being that successful nor desired…except by the trophy oriented crowd. 

It comes down to choices and priorities…
What are yours?  How can you state them.
I would love to see some comprehensive survey taken that gets the pulse of more hunters that do not voice their opinions on a web-site.

I like the choices and opportunities the IL seasons provide as they currently are run.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 01:21 PM

this is just unfair to the bow hunters. see with the bow season first they kill some deer but they dont really spook them the way a full fledge shotgun season would. if you had a september anterless gun season 90% of deer would be spooked into the deep woods after the barage of cabin fever gun hunters shoot all the woods up. then bowhunters and even gun hunters will complain that there is even less deer.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 01:23 PM

Great great presentation ! Right on the money ! I tried so hard last year to bring to attention the exact same points and have them understood. Don I really like how you addressed this !...My hats of to ya my friend !!.........PW

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 01:26 PM

virtualSniper I have to say I disagree. I see the Sept season as a very successful management tool. As stated before people will be less apt to mistakenly take a buck. The result of “trophy” animals is just a perk of having a healthy herd with better ratios and age structure.
My “choices and priorities”? Well I would like to see the herd of whitetails in this state reach and be maintained at the highest level. This means bucks and does. (that has nothing to do with trophys as I said the trophy animals are a perk)
I know that sometimes change is a scary thing for people but when it benefits the health of the animal the we are hunting it should be looked at in a serious matter. You will still have choices and I feel if it’s done right you opportunities will increase.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 01:41 PM

Interesting Concept Don.  However, having lived in the south for a few years (Georgia), We started archery season in mid September, then in mid October started the gun season.  The downside there is the gun season lasted until the end of December. There was not much archery only hunting, say about 5 weeks.  I personally am a meat hunter.  I will shoot a buck of course, but, will shoot does all day long IF I CAN FIND THEM.  I think the herd is too small now.  I have almost finished the worst hunting season in 20 years.  I have not seen a deer in my 5 small plots of land since 22NOV.  I endured 25 hours last week in the frigid cold for the late antlerless season, and the only deer sighting I had was at my truck after legal shooting time.  If one of you trophy hunters has some does you want me to clean up send me an e-mail.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 01:51 PM

I still do not see this as a trophy hunter issue like some are trying to make it. If you are concerned with the doe numbers then the season move is better anyway isn’t it?. Why would you want to risk the pregnant does being shot in the late season whereas with the Sept season you can control numbers and still allow the pregnant does to give birth?

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 02:01 PM

Get a petition together to send to whoever we need to in the dnr. I’ll sign it

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 02:35 PM

Sorry, I disagree for these reasons. 1) Too warm. 2) Too many bugs. 3) Issues hanging your deer. 4) Spooking deer for later seasons. 5) Standing corn. 6) Crops to harvest. 7) Difficulties seeing in the timber. Just my 2 cents.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 02:37 PM

it’s always either two warm,or to cold “last wkend”-to many bugs—to much corn- etc- the jest of Don’s article in on track- that’s why many Midwest states are now doing it- they get it- Very well put Don-

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 02:50 PM

HIggins, i like your ideas but i dont think it will fly.  There is one major assumption here.  That the avg deer hunter CARES about herd management and the dont.  They dont care if they shoot a button buck.  They dont care. 

Ad, Whats so hard about this sep season?  Walk out, sit near the edge of a bean field… shoot a big doe just before dark and go on?  its a simple season.  YOu shouldnt even be in the timber for a sept doe hunt.  And hunter participation would be amazing for this since everyone is always hyped up for hunting this time of the year.  Check almost any hunting forum and its always highest around that time of year.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 02:50 PM

Oh boy a chance to shoot a suckling spotted fawn!!!!!!!!!! How about the third week in October at least there should be a frost by then.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 02:55 PM

Sorry, I disagree for these reasons. 1) Too warm. 2) Too many bugs. 3) Issues hanging your deer. 4) Spooking deer for later seasons. 5) Standing corn. 6) Crops to harvest. 7) Difficulties seeing in the timber.

1.  The weather is about the same as OCT.  If we can open a bowseason in which has a much more difficult recover than gun hunting.  And if KY can manage it so can we.  2.  bugs are you serious.  We are HUNTERS not golfers. 3 Clean the dang thing it only takes an hour.  4.  A 3 day season and ten days to tame back down.. it will be ok.  5.  Standing beans too that are the prime food source this time of year.  You can fill your doe tag in 15 minutes one evening for any farmer thats paying attention.  Does are so predictable this time of year.  With also ALOT more daytime movement since they havent been hunted yet. 6.  Legit for some people but on the same end, kids arent as obligated to school and after school activities at this time.  7.  Have no business in the woods.  You should be protecting bean fields from crop damage and where the deer actually are.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 03:04 PM

hmmmm….I agree with Don!

OUR Illinois deer herd needs HELP! Now and Not later! We have ‘almost’ lost our quantity and our Quality! Very few of us care! Most don’t care…. I see it in the gun seasons mostly when hunters still have tags and just want to kill (for that reason only). It don’t hurt anyones ‘image’ to have un-used tags! In fact I think more of a hunter that does actually have un-used tags left over after season end. Just because DNR and POLITICS says ‘we can kill more deer’....doesn’t mean ‘we have to’!

The hunter has to bare some responsibility in maintaining a quality and healthy deer herd. Most Don’t!.....we are blessed with what we have….we better start protecting it! Hunters ‘have to take some responsibility’ before it’s too late!...jmho

Don, good article!

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Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 03:18 PM

Very well put, Don. Without repeating everything that was just said, I think there are more compelling reasons for having the antlerless season in Sep. than in Jan. I do acknowledge that there are some reasons for holding the season in January, but a brief season in Sep makes more sense. However, I personally could care less because I will never participate in such a season, nor do I know anyone that ever will. Even if this Sep season disrupted deer behavior for 3 weeks, there should be plenty of time for bucks to resume their normal pre-rut patterns by mid-October. No worries there. I rarely see anything that first week of Oct anyways…

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 04:15 PM

no thanks on the sept. season…

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 04:29 PM

These guys who could care less for the Sept. season crack me up.  It’s to hot or the crops are in so I’m sure they did not hunt at all this year since the crops are still in.  What about all of the years it was in the 60’s or even 70’ during the gun seasons!!  Did you harvest any deer?  I’m sure not since it was to warm to hang.  Whatever excuse is made there are 2 times as many reasons right now all together to get rid of these LWS all together.  This season is a reflection of the over harvest of the doe population that has taken place over the last decade in this state.  You are not getting rid of one doe when you harvest a deer in the LWS you are getting rid of 2 maybe even 3 or 4. Last weeks numbers were’nt 9,000 they were well over 20,000 think about it.  So why not move the season up it is the only logical thing to do right now and that is what many of us concerned hunters want!!!

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 04:55 PM

Walmsly, everyone has an opinion. That’s just yours.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 05:05 PM

Clint, as you saw, I gave my opinion, and stand by it. Simply how I feel.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 05:08 PM

Deer are in good shape over my way. Leave things alone over here. You guys can do what you want in your area. Guess DNR needs to manage regionally.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 05:14 PM

WOW A SEPTEMBER EARLY GUN BUCK SEASON.LOL!!Whack em and stack em early.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 05:21 PM

Absolutely doe culling should occur BEFORE the rut.  October is better than September.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 06:06 PM

It never ceases to amaze me how some people on this site manage to find the on/off switch on their CPU’s. If done correctly, the September season would be a very successful deer management tool. The whole reason behind the LWS is to control deer populations,in particular, doe populations.  Whether we like to admit it to ourselves or not, the primary purpose of hunting is wildlife management.  Everything else that goes along with hunting…the camaraderie, the heritage, the family tradition aspect, trophies, and the great tasting venison is just gravy. No pun intended.  The LWS was allowed this year in about 60+ counties out of a total of 101 counties open to hunting.  I would assume that any future September hunting scenario would also be in those 60+ counties and be restricted to a single weekend, firearm only, anterless deer season.  Given those parameters, all the talk about spooking the deer back into the deep timber is pure hogwash. Not only would one be less apt to mistakenly take a buck during a September hunt, but as many have pointed out, youth, women, and seasoned hunters, would be more apt to participate in the hunt.  This is definitely a win-win situation for Illinois deer hunters. I think somewhere along the line, we all have forgotten the primary reason why we love to hunt.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 06:08 PM

SJ i wouldnt mind to see bow season open around sept 20th With the gun doe season happening around the 6th or october.  I think that would work just fine too…

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 06:10 PM

BigD i agree about the turning the computer comment on.  It does amaze me but it boils down to that there are people around that would oppose higgins if he found a cure for cancer… and they know they would.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 06:13 PM

Some of you guys kill me. It’s not all about you.  A Setember early season is exactly what this state needs.  You will get more people participating in the DOE only season (definately should be no excuse to why a buck got killed like there is in late winter), you can get more kids involved in our sport and more state goals would be getting reached that way.  I would also love to see a one buck restriction or earn a buck restriction put into place.  Make these trophy hunters take a doe or two before they earn a right to pursue their headgear.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 06:14 PM

It’s time as hunters we quit thinking in terms of “I” or “me”, “my”, “mine” etc. For those of you who posted with personal opinions about how a change would effect you, you are not thinking about how to help the overall deer herd. You are just thinking about yourselves. If we as hunters don’t pull it together and take care of things ourselves, the legislature, and the anti-hunting lobby will. A group that is already fragmented is ripe for a divide and conquer campaign. We have got to make productive changes to the LWS. In my opinion we as a state have already over-harvested in the last 5 years. We also have a problem with unreported harvests. 16% unreported ...give me a break. I have taken 1 doe with the bow and two with shotgun. My muzzleloader tags and remaining bow tag should make some good soup.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 06:20 PM

I think mid Oct. would be good that way it don’t mess up Dove hunting.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 06:26 PM

For me personally, it’s not about “I”, “Me”. I believe it’s about common sense. Too many negatives involved with this suggested change.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 06:34 PM

I guess it really don’t matter.I just won’t let anyone hunt the early season.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 06:55 PM

Don, all good points that have all been presented here over and over and over… all while the DNR refuses to look at it.
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A couple of comments:
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Yes, September would make a doe season more successful.  But do we really need it to be “more successful” in all 60 counties that are open to LWAS?  Right now, all the does in a large area are herded up.  If your property can’t hold deer in the late-season, chances are you could sit in a tree for 3 weeks straight and not kill a doe.  That’s the way it is where I hunt.  In September, does are in smaller groups (or with their fawns), and are much more spread out.  I have them within bow range nearly every time out.  Do we really need this doe season to double the number of kills and be a lot more successful?  Does everyone want to increase the number of doe kills in their area?
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On the other hand, will opening up the doe season in September allow more does to be killed in the areas that really DO need more does killed?  Are outfitters going to open up their lands to gun hunters looking for does before their clients get into camp a couple weeks later?  Are they going to kill a lot of does early, and risk not having “enough” on their property to draw in the rutting bucks for their clients?
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Bottom line… while an early season does make more sense, and it does solve some of the issues that come with the LWAS, I still don’t think it addresses some of the herd issues in specific areas.

Posted by KC-IBS on 01/07 at 07:16 PM

All good stuff on here from all sides of the issue,one thing nobody mentioned is that i dont think whatever they do still isnt going to get them does to walk off of big money boys properties and leases to get in front of us common folk hunters!

Posted by trolloni on 01/07 at 07:34 PM

late season is the only way to truley get the mature does out during daylight hours. how many mature does do u see out in september reguraly after pressure.so for ahealthy deer heard dont shoot the dumb ones shoot the mature does.loged over 3 months on stand in a heavely hunted area seen lots of does but few fawns.maybe the problem lies in coyotes whos going coyote hunting this weekend.there was a study done in virgina last year were 4 out of six fawns were consumed by yotes

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 07:48 PM

I rest my case.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 07:58 PM

kevin, it doesnt address all the issues.  But with this combined with some regulations for outfitters it goes a long long way.  OMNI, nothing you said is in the least bit true.  4/6 would never get published for one.  too few numbers.  2.  thats another problem we have with these discussions.  Things i accept as common sense. That deer show themselves much more during daylight hours in sept some people dont seem to get.  All the old does are FORCED by biology to move during daylight in sept.  Their fawns need food.  They have to look out for them.  And i see MANY MANY in fields this time of year.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 08:16 PM

Good point KC. I agree that not all areas need the doe reduction (mine is one of them that does not) but since I can’t control how my neighbors hunt I think that it gives the bucks that have already shed a better chance of making to the next season.
Why couldn’t you put the NRs on a EAB program since they are more likely to be hunting on outfitted ground. Since the places with more outfitted ground seems to have more of the need for the doe reduction. Just a thought.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 08:18 PM

nontypical, EAB in the problem areas makes sense and has been proven to work in many places… and will be fought the hardest by the groups that would be affected the most (the ones profiting from deer hunting).  No check stations = instant record numbers of doe harvests the first year.
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Clint, there are no increased regulations for outfitters. I understand more bucks will be saved… and in the end, the anti-trophy hunting crowd would fight it, just because the biggest benefit involves saving bucks.
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You have to think this through.  People on here (and all across the state) have been talking for months about decreased herds and fewer deer numbers this year.  It simply doesn’t make sense to ask for a season that would be more effective than what we have now for a LWAS.  I’m actually happy that I don’t have dozens of people out there in this cold to fill their freezers.  People are using excuses as to why a September season would be better, implying that more people would participate and more does would be killed.  Again, you run the risk of shooting even more does in areas that don’t need it… and you still don’t address overpopulation in the arease that have it, because it still doesn’t get people access to the deer.

Posted by KC-IBS on 01/07 at 08:52 PM

Kevin, i agree with that totally.  I dont think we need more deer killed at all. If there were tags for this season and this season only, they could keep the tag numbers to a decent level.  The late season hunts are currently growing in participation every year.  That is where the drop in herd numbers is coming.  There were 250 deer killed in my county over the past season.  That, probably means with wounded deer and births that are taken away 600 less deer in my county next year.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 09:01 PM

I made this suggestion to Marc Miller at the DNR meeting in Pekin (that only ten people attended). I suggested a crossbow doe only season for the entire month of September. Yes, a crossbow can be a management tool also! While helping to control the herd, the economy would also be stimulated by the crossbow sales. There would probably be no further need for a late gun season. Counties could be monitored for quotas and be shut down when quotas are met. I don’t own a crossbow but don’t see a problem providing the hunting opportunity to any hunter who would like to. This can of worms is officially open!!!!

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 09:07 PM

yeah eldon…. its hard for that to be taken seriously at all.  Almost no one that isnt disabled has a crossbow.  And i doubt 100 people in the whole state would actually spend 500 dollars to buy a crossbow to hunt a doe with.  Hunter op ideas shouldnt be made to price out poor people that cant afford it.  Meat hunters who are the main people who harvest does would NEVER justify that finacially.  Ideas like this are exactly why miller has trouble taking hunters seriously

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 09:23 PM

Clint has never uttered a more true statement….Meat hunters who are the main people who harvest does would NEVER justify that finacially.

This statement is a very good point and is one major issue that can explain motives for a lot point of views.  Meat hunters take the does.  All this talk about saving the herd and its the meat hunters that are the real heroes.  Now the meat hunters are told to hunt in Sept when they have to race to a meat locker or buy 20 bags of ice to protect their harvest.  I bet a lot of meat hunters are less likely to spend gobs of money chasing the ‘big one’.  They do not spend money on special food plots beans/peas/corn.  They do not farm for trophies.  They do not pay huge dollars for outfitters, the latest equipment, fancy scentlocks, hunting golf carts, etc.  The meat hunters are attributed with saving the herd ratio and this article wants to boot them from the table.  I have said before the hunting industry needs both the meat hunters and the trophy crowd.  I have also said before there is plenty of time in the bow and gun seasons to take a doe.  Take a doe early and these LWS can go away.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 09:43 PM

Remember, the DNR DID push for a pre-rut antlerless season (in October) but took it off the table because (1) they stubbornly held to the archaic notion that the season couldn’t be shared with archery hunters, (2) therefore the archery hunters rebelled, (3) so the DNR caved, (4) no one was smart enough to work a deal of which there would have been a handful of options.  Some sort of compromise back then would have resulted in a better herd management practice than what we ended up with.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 09:49 PM

I also find it odd that item #3 deer vehicle accidents is used to justify any hunting on this forum.  The joint task force is dismissed by so many posts that one would think DVA’s are really not an issue.  We have been told the insurance companies are to dismissed as reasonable reasons to influence harvest numbers. 

I guess when you need to sell an idea, any ammo helps.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 09:57 PM

SJ, there WAS a compromise presented… they could have moved it to September and made more people happy, but they wouldn’t do it.  People were in favor of an early doe season and we could have had it.  The offer was to move it 30 days earlier, and they wouldn’t do it.  In addition, they wanted to keep the 3 days in October… AND STILL ADD ANOTHER 6 DAYS IN JANUARY.  We didn’t get an early season because DNR refused to compromise… it was either October or nothing for the early season.

Posted by KC-IBS on 01/07 at 10:05 PM

KC - Exactly.  There’s many things they could have done.  They could have kept their October gun season, shared it, and opened archery up 1 week or 2 earlier.  Or what you said.

But, I will give them a little bit of credit for at least considering an early antlerless season for the first time.  Maybe in the future, as more and more hunters show support for putting it pre-rut, they’ll soften on their “no compromise” position.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 10:15 PM

Great comments, I support the September Season.  KC- the two that run our deer herd will never compromise.  Enough said.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 10:15 PM

Clint, I thought you wanted to protect the herd (does). Why then do you back a Sept. doe season when all these female deer will be harvested? Not sure I follow your ideology.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 10:17 PM

why not just make it august or june. its funny that the same people suggesting and supporting a september season are the same people who were complaining that there isnt enough deer but yet want a season that would kill more deer then the current LWS. the only reason they want this season is cause they are the trophy hunters and are scared of even 1 buck being shot during the LWS anterless season. i have seen these same people say they shouldnt shoot does because of how sparce the deer are getting but want a season where everyone and there mom can go sit out in the sun and shoot does instead of having to tough it out in the cold and earn there deer. if noone else can see through this thinly veiled attempt to fool someone they gotta be blind

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/07 at 10:37 PM

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