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Illinois deer meetings underway

September 03, 2008 at 02:57 PM

Task force info

Click here for more information from the meetings of the Deer Population Task Force or to offer comments via an online questionnaire.

Five proposed deer management options were unveiled at the first public open house regarding management of the Illinois deer herd.

The first of six meetings was held in Peru on Tuesday and gave deer hunters and others a chance to see information provided by the Department of Natural Resources. The open meetings are being held in conjunction with a Deer Population Control Task Force that has been meeting to discuss management strategies for the Illinois deer herd.

Here are the five proposed options unveiled at the meeting:

  • 1. Make permits for a special antlerless-only firearm season available over-the-counter at license vendors throughout the state. These permits would be in counties open to the special antlerless-only season. Currently, these permits are available only through lottery drawing.
  • 2. Designate two categories of counties for the special antlerless-only firearm seasons, one in which hunters may purchase one permit, and another in which hunters may purchase multiple permits. Currently only one permit is allowed per hunter.
  • 3. Increase length of late-winter antlerless-only season from three days to seven or nine days. The current three-day season begins the first Friday after Jan. 11. The new scenario proposes starting the first Monday after Jan. 7 or the first Saturday after Jan. 5.
  • 4. Implement a special firearm antlerless-only season about the third weekend in October.
  • 5. Combine options 3 and 4. The longer January season could be adopted with the caveat that if a county did not make progress toward a target goal after a few years, the October antlerless-only season could be implemented.

The second and fifth options are relatively new ideas.

The task force was established by the Illinois General Assembly to examine and make recommendations on ways to manage the Illinois deer population, including maintaining and increasing deer hunting opportunities, reducing deer-vehicle accidents and examining how those accidents affect insurance rates, reducing crop and other property damage, and maintaining and increasing the health of the Illinois deer herd.

Remaining meetings will be held as follows (from 4-7 p.m.)

  • Wednesday – Rockford Public Library, 215 N. Wyman, Rockford (use Mulberry St. entrance)
  • Thursday – Scripps Park Community Building, U.S. Rts 67 & 24, Rushville
  • Sept. 9 – Olney City Park Community Building, Ill. Rt. 130, Olney
  • Sept. 10 – World Shooting and Recreational Complex, Sparta
  • Sept. 11 – Bethany Fire Station, 530 E. Main, Bethany

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What do you think will come from these meetings?
I seriously doubt a damn thing.  Blagojevich will do what he wants to do and since he has filled all critical positions with his buddies, they will shoot down any proposals from the public.  We don’t matter to this man and we all know that if it has to do with hunting and the outdoors its on his chopping block.  Bit by bit he is going to eliminate our rights as hunters and gun owners.  It is a sad day in Illinois when we are losing our rights and freedoms on a daily basis under this administration.  Deer task force, why?  Alot of hot air will be wasted and our greaseball governor will just turn his arogant nose up at any suggestions made by the public…...

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 09/03 at 03:56 PM

DNR shot down all chances of doing anything with access.  Their very first slide in the presentation to the Task Force stated “Access - Mission Impossible”...

Kinda hard to get over the negativity.

Of course, that was before they announced all the park closings.

Posted by KC-IBS on 09/03 at 06:58 PM

None of these “brainstormers” deal with the fact that populations on lands controlled by Hadley Creek Outfitters and Pyramid State Park are vastly different. And nothing even seems to be remotely addressing the fact that Northern forest preserves and suburb lots need to be open to archery hunting. Smoke and window dressing and whoring out a few more permits. Look for more bucks to be poached during the early “gun” season since CPO are almost non existent.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 09/04 at 01:41 AM

It doesnt matter what they do. There are enough of us who own our land and manage it without the input of DNR with who lost all credibility years ago over their refusal to look out for Illinois residents. No matter what “solutions” they come up with, “I” will decide what happens on my property concerning doe harvest and all other aspects of deer management and there are thousands more just like me. I no longer worry about ignorant regulations devised by a politically driven DNR because landowners have/are taking control of the herd away from the DNR. It only takes 1 or 2 sanctuary properties in a township and the DNR regulations are moot. The state is starting to feel the fallout from the kick to the teeth that resident hunters got years ago. It will only get worse. To solve the problem, start at the root. Limit non-resident deer hunters to 5000 and do not give free or guaranteed tags to landowners who are not Illinois residents. That is what Iowa does ..... but wait, Iowa actually manages their deer wisely as a renewable resource rather than as just a source of income like the Illinois politicians do.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 09/04 at 08:44 AM

Great comment Don everyone needs to realize that the population is out of control because they have let the outfitters take control of so much ground that used to be hunted wisely.  When u start letting deer walk year after year u are going to generate 2 more each year on the average it is easy to figure that out.  Iowa and Kansas are two states who regulate their heard wisely and u will see them continue to as long as they limit their out of state tags.  Until then everyone can keep complaining cause we issue as many out of state permits as those 2 states combined at half the price.  What is the saying “Build it they will come” well now look at what we have.  U would think we were boardering Mexico come hunting season all 25,000 coming in hope of shooting deerzilla.  Thank all of the T.V. shows for that and Mr. Gimme a second of North American Whitetail for all that they have done to the industry itself.  They all think their 5 day hunt or whatever is going to produce that record deer lol.  Sure they are just walking around by the tons in every piece of timber around the state.  I guess they figure the stand they sit in has not been hunted all year either.  Try most likely the day before they arrived.  So I can just keep going but the reality of it is that we better enjoy it now cause it may not be around to long or atleast as good.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 09/04 at 09:04 AM

No to early gun season. Yes to blasting as many does as you can in late season gun.  Thanks to Greg for eloquently expressing my opinions.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 09/04 at 09:09 AM

Let me make it clear than I am NOT against non-resident hunters or outfitters. It is UNLIMITED non-residents and UNREGULATED outfitting that I oppose.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 09/04 at 09:23 AM

It doesn’t matter how manny seasons they extend or open or how manny extra tags they issue if there are less hunters in the field which equates to less huntin opportunities there will be no significant impact on the so called overpopulation. it’s obvious by the 5 proposed options that there is no intrest in getting more hunters in the field but it sure appears as a way to generate more dollars.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 09/04 at 09:54 AM

If you want to thin the doe populations (which is what needs done) then the the average hunter is going to need incentives to begin harvesting does. You all know as well as I do that roughly every 3rd hunter in the state of IL is a trophy hunter and will not even draw on a doe. Fewer and fewer meat hunt now days. Everyone’s out for a trophy. I propose some type of incentive plan. This is just off the top of my head. Get as many processors involved as you can (perhaps even with tax incentives). If a hunter brings in say 3 or 4 does to donate to foodbanks then their hunting license is free next year. If they bring in 6 or 7 does then their hunting and fishing license are free next year. If they do it for 5 years straight they get lifetime hunting license for free. If they do it for 10 year straight they get lifetime hunting and fishing license for free.This is just a rough incentive plan off the top of my head.——- We must give hunters an incentive to harvest does and we need to view all of that potential meat as a resource for people who really need it. Thoughts?????

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 09/04 at 11:29 AM

And Don, I echo your EDUCATED opinion on out of state hunters and the private land that is being gobbled up to meet their consumptive needs.

I was by the farm this summer when the boys were in velvet. I need to get back by and see how they’re doin.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 09/04 at 11:33 AM

I personally try to shoot 2 does for every buck I take and I dont even believe we have a deer over-population problem in my area. Land managers, whether hunters or outfitters, need to personally take responsibility for the deer under their control. IDNR has lost control so it is up to us. I do believe a hunter should be required to take at least 1 doe before they can shoot their 2nd buck.

I also personally believe the over-population issue is more political than real in many areas. We all know about the dirty, crooked Illinois (Chicago)politics and it doesnt take an imagination to envision insurance companies and their lobbyists pushing this agenda with $$$$ given under the table to the right “campaigns”.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 09/04 at 12:26 PM

Until the DNR gets back under control by a biologist instead of a political “shill”, we hunters are collectively “peeing in the wind”. I must say its refreshing to see someone such as Don take time to comment here, rather than primping and preening himself to fake tears on camera, “give me a minute here folks.” Opening up extended seasons on public ground, some of which will no longer be open after November 1, will just further increase the disparity of deer populations on available and off limit lands. There is no management plan for urban areas. Just some bogus language about gee we are thinking about it and hunting has shown promise. Someone needs to have some resemblance of manhood and suggest that hunting be allowed in the forest preserves and small suburban woodlots of the big cities. Living in a Chicago suburb and talking with other bowhunters, I know quite a few who would pay $50-$150 for a permit to hunt in the FPs. I and many others spend more than that on gas traveling to where we hunt. Providing OTC permits for does, with no increased law enforcement presence just makes it that much easier for poaching and or out of state chicanery. I do like the idea of earning a 2nd buck by physically checking in 1-2 does. With the current make up of the DNR and the IL political situation I don’t expect anything to change other than making more money by prostituting our wildlife.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 09/04 at 01:10 PM

Everyone, I think these are ideas that need to be shared and voiced at these meetings. Personally, I am going to attempt to make it to the one scheduled for Bethany. I’ll see you there boys.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 09/04 at 02:05 PM

I say “No” to October gun season! Sept doe only, maybe. I also shoot all the does I can. I try to keep a 2-1 ratio on my property. No small bucks get shot either. Nothing left but big bucks…it’s a no brainer.

The deer meetings are a waste of time. They already blew it by shutting down parks, no management of does on the western side of the state, etc. They’ll never listen….never!

Posted by Marc Anthony on 09/04 at 03:39 PM

Hello everyone. One thing about us hunters, we all seem to want the same thing…a healthier deer herd. In saying that, there are a few thing (in my opinion) that we as a group need to really think about. Illinois residents are upset (along with me) about how the state has opened the door for nonresidents to come in at will to shoot a “trophy buck”.
We know it’s all about the revenue for the politicians. What if we considered playing their game a bit. What if we were to propose raising the price of our resident tags to say, $35.00 to $40.00 per either sex permit and $20.00 for our antlerless only permit. Then, the state could cut back on the nonresident permits to say around 5,000 to 7,000 and raise the price of their tags. It’s a matter of supply and demand. Any serious hunter would be more than willing to pay a little more in order to maintain our states trophy herd.
Then, I believe in the earn a buck program. Every resident and non resident should have to shoot a doe before shooting a buck.
We would also have to demand check stations be re-established. Mind you, I am talking about “volunteer” check stations at the local outdoor sporting good stores and or meat lockers. This would in turn eliminate a lot of the poachers from being able to get away with murder through the call in system and bring more business to those “volunteer” check stations.
We all know that the residents of this state are sick and tired of being pushed by the politics involved and I know many of you are against raising the price of our own permits. But, how far are you willing to go to protect one of our greatest natural resources?

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 09/05 at 09:14 AM

Kyle- You are right on one thing. Greatest “NATURAL RESOURCE”. This RESOURCE is at no cost to the State. The State is making enough money on US outdoors people. Whether your a fisherman or hunter we as local residents of the state pay enough for permits and stamps and license fees. I did a study a few years ago when I received a survey from the state regarding hunting regulations and just in firearm deer permits alone the State issued roughly 300,000 permits @ $15.00 apiece. This is $4,500,000 in revenue off a “NATURAL RESOURCE”. This doesn’t take in account the archery permits or license fee’s. That particular year I beleive the harvest total was around 110,000 deer. Out of 300,000 permits only 110,000 deer. This means that 190,000 permits were made into permit soup. Resulting in a clear profit to the State of $2,850,000. So when you say lets raise the fees for the permits my answer is a BIG “NO”. If you are a TRUE deer hunter I can’t beleive you would set yourself up like this and to propose a permit increase.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 09/05 at 01:05 PM

Stop all the out of State outfitter from coming in leasing up all our land. Then maybe us the locals can get back into the lands we know and have hunted for years. Then we can go back to the true way of hunting instead of this bull—- of only having the outfitters trophy hunting. This is where the real problem is. I myself am a meat hunter when the trophy comes along well there is my chance. You can’t hunt deer when all the out of state outfitters are leasing up OUR GROUND!!!!

Thanks—Pissed off in Central ILLINOIS

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 09/05 at 01:06 PM

Earn a buck will never work without a manual check station.
Most outfitters are residents, not out of staters.
October firearm season would only be installed, on a individual county by county basis, only if that county does not show significant decreases in its anterless population in a 2 to 3 year period.

Extension of the anterless season would be the last 7 days of archery season, and include bow, muzzleloader, shotgun,handgun and muzzleloader.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 09/05 at 05:28 PM

It was an interesting meeting. Everyone should go to the dnr website, take the survey and offer your suggestions. They really do want to here from everyone. Take The time!!

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 09/05 at 05:31 PM

Kyle, The permit raises should be on the NON resident not us locale people. We all have enough bul**** to put up with from Blago and all his paid for buddies.
Sounds like Blago and the DNR are PROMOTING POATCHING.
And who should we put on the stand for that one. The hunters that are being cheated out of their hunting land. Or the crooked political DNR who took the land from them?
In this economy a man has to decide to starve or put food on the table for his family.
If permits are raised our wallets will feel it now, but if we close some more parks our wallets will really feel it in a few years when we pay more $ for auto insurance. Either way Blago will get more money from all of us. Especially when the number of out of state hunters doubles and the triples.
GO Illnois.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 09/06 at 04:25 AM

Alot of you guys have some really gay ideas and are wasting your time. The commercialization of hunting has had a terrible affect on our deer herd.  people don’t make money by shooting does. scents and calls arent made to shoot a doe. outfitters and private landowners dont lease their land to people that wanna shoot a doe. theres millions of does around, so start shooting them and quit worrying about all of your gay monster bucks.  when you are 80yrs old and cant hunt anymore you are gonna wish you did a little more for conservation and a little less for yourself.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 09/06 at 08:19 PM

The commercialization of hunting has done its damage “B”, but it also has educated some of us in the last 2 decades. Look at food plot development, deer herd management, selective shooting (let em go and let em grow)which still means shooting does and older bucks, etc. Managing on private property has really been advantageous regarding quality in the last decade. I have seen a tremendous difference in the quality of big bucks brought into my shop as a taxidermist in the last 10 years (from the same properties) due to the increased popularity of food plots and managed hunting. It’s not “gay” to worry about a monster buck as most of us want a trophy, but too many hunters don’t realize that shooting the does increases your chances for a bigger buck and the outfitters need to take some responsibility. I agree with you on the commercial hunting as very detrimental in herd control, etc. The problem at the state level is a lost cause because of the mess the DNR is in. We can still do our part, but don’t count on the state.

Posted by Marc Anthony on 09/06 at 09:29 PM

I am going to say I’m a Don Higgins fan.  If any of you have met him, and I’m sure quite a few of you have, he definately understands the whitetail, and its habitat, and populations for this part of the world at least.  I don’t believe the politicians are in the hunters corner one damned iota.  In other words, I certainly don’t trust them as far as I can throw them.  Hell, they’ve done nothing but screwed up a great institution if you will, harvesting deer in Illinois, full of traditions for family and friends.  We should hang them sob’s.
I vote Don Higgens for Governor.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 09/08 at 07:42 PM

The Best article written so far was by Kevin Chatman about this heated subject of Over Population.. Very educated man on this subject He Gets My Vote for the person in charge of this matter. Great Article!!! KEVIN CHATMAN

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 09/11 at 09:38 PM

Kevin Chapman has written one of the best articles that I have read on this problem. I agree that he should be commended and recognized for his insight.But,the DNR has totally be decimated by budgets cuts and employee cuts by Blago and we can’t expect much help from them. I have lost over 25 farms over the years due to outfitters leasing up the land. We always harvested does and the farmers that leased out to the outfitters now complain to us that they should have kept us.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 09/13 at 01:32 PM

I didn’t know that there is such a management team. I thought these animals don’t belong to a specific organization. Anyway, I’m glad that there are people who are taking care of the them. Congratulations!

Posted by Cigar on 10/24 at 11:14 AM

I find those new ideas better than those before them. Indeed, deer management is a serious problem we are dealing with right now. I am sure that everything will be just fine in the end. And if it won’t there is no worry. The team is absolutely great and in no time they will find a better solution.

Posted by Alaska Cruises on 11/01 at 04:07 AM

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