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DNR drops non-resident two-buck proposal

February 10, 2010 at 04:44 PM

The Illinois Department of Natural Resources is withdrawing a proposal to allow non-resident archery deer hunters to purchase a second combination archery deer permit.

That proposal met with angry response from several resident hunting groups, since it would have allowed non-residents to shoot two bucks during bow season.

But DNR will move ahead with plans to allow non-resident youth hunters to take part in the October youth season. Writes John Buhnerkempe, chief of DNR’s wildlife division:

“Regarding amendments to 17 Ill. Adm. Rule 685, the Department believes the recruitment and retention of young hunters, regardless of residency, is of paramount importance in today’s world.  This is a national issue, not just a state or local issue.  Regardless of what other states are doing, we believe that youth season should be blind to residency and that youth hunting opportunities should be a priority.  Given the importance of this issue, we plan to proceed with allowing nonresident youth to participate the youth deer hunting season.”

Earlier this winter Buhnerkempe had discussed these changes for non-residents during the Pheasants Forever and Quail Forever state convention in Peoria.

“I think the whole issue of kids hunting is not are they residents or non-residents, it’s are they kids?” Buhnerkempe said. “There may be grandparents who want to invite their grandkids in to hunt. Is an outfitter going to make more money off of it? I doubt it.

“As far as the issue of non-residents hunting in Illinois, Pandora’s Box is already open.”

Buhnerkempe said the Illinois Natural History Survey is currently doing a mail survey of outfitters to get more information about the industry.

“I don’t think we fully understand the industry as well as we need to,” Buhnerkempe said. “



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Hunterjjj don?t worry every local is running your place while you are not there so thanks for purchasing land!!!Posted by RAGEINTHECAGE on 02/11 at 08:28 PM

sounds like someone is supporting trespassing and poaching

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 02/13 at 12:00 PM

Buckraiser sounds like you may be looking for a place to hunt sucking up!!!  As for my comment I have had it happen to me and I have 1000 acres in the Western part of the state and over 5 years had several trespassers.  Most were from out of state hunting with some outfitter who used the excuse of being lost from the property lines. LOL!  If you think the locals don’t coon,coyote,squirrel,fish,or any other type of hunting when they know someone is not watching their property than you are sadly mistaken.  The local people of these small towns have lost most hunting rights do to outfitting and out of state land control so they can care less.  AS for some NR buying land to come here to hunt with their family good luck and it is all about the big buck or they would be hunting in their own state don’t try to use a youth as a excuse for your passion of buck hunting!  The deer management in this state is wide open with no plan and just keeps getting worse!!!

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 02/13 at 01:36 PM

It is about big bucks but its also about the hunt.  If it was just about the hunt every non-resident would just by a doe tag over the counter and save lots of money.  Outfitters wouldn’t buy deer heads to hang on their wall along with driving around filming every deer in their county and send it to their clients and every product out their wouldn’t have a monster deer on it.  There also wouldn’t be near as many hunting shows.  So yes it is about the big deer end of story.

Check out my thread in the archery forum: Concerned hunters of Illinois.  Let me know what you think.

Posted by Metallicat85 on 02/13 at 02:28 PM

Lol wow thats original. It is you, didn’t take no time for you to respond as expected, thanks for not making me wait to long to clarify it. Got to go see if the fish are biting for now try and behave yourself.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 02/13 at 02:54 PM

K.C. I took the information on IBS off of their website. “A 501(c)(3) organization MAY ENGAGE IN SOME LOBBYING, but too much lobbying activity risks loss of tax-exempt status.” The IRS defines “too much lobbying” as 20% of your operating budget.  So in an all volunteer organization, I would think that would be 20% of your time volunteered. I have no problem with the IBS’s lobbying efforts as long as they are not promoting ‘discrimination’ against hunters, any hunters. If an organization or individuals are guilty of trying to block or interfere with legal, ethical hunting, whether it is by residents or non-residents, then that organization, in my opinion, is an “anti-hunting” organization.  Others may feel differently and that’s fine.  Keeping up on current rules and legislation that affects hunting and keeping hunters and the general public are very worthwhile endeavors for the IBS. Trying to affect legislation to limit someone’s right to hunt in Illinois on totally subjective reasons, in my opinion, is not so noble.

I don’t know why the outfitters didn’t have more input on the Rule 640 regulation. I wasn’t here when that happened.  But there were lots of other States that had outfitter regulations that could have been drawn on, as well as many States and Territories that had active “Outfitter and Guides Associations” that would have been a great resource to consult with.  I would imagine that not many outfitters were asked to help out with 640 when it was being developed, because of the threatened lawsuit over it at the time. Why didn?t outfitters fight ILFB when they were pushing for the exemptions? Really, Kevin don’t you know the answer to that one?  If you are smart, you pick the battles that you might have a chance at winning. In any case, all of us really appreciate the time and effort that you put into trying to keep hunters informed about pending legislation and items that affect natural resources.  Jeff, Marc, you, and Tim, and all the staff at PSO should be complemented on the job that you are doing for the Illinois sportsmen.  We may not always agree on every issue, but it is great to have the opportunity to air our differences.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 02/13 at 04:33 PM

sounds like rageinthecage has some issues. i would like to know that if he is so concerned about resident having a place to hunt & he has 1000 acres just how many of his local buddys does he let hunt ? if that is his concerns his land should be open to all locals. hows about all the IL resident that are taking the jobs of the IN. KY. MI. WI. resident cause they don’t have the work in IL. i know this is the case cause they tell me all the time. running as fare as TX. for lest the n/r’s are bringing revenue to your state , not just taking revenue out. i’m a long time non- resident hunter of IL. i love the people where i hunt . & the locals wecome use every year . we have made lots of friends there & i am greatful for them all.for the most part , the non-residents are bringing revune to the communitys. we spend lots of $$ there every year. and pay the land owners top $$ for hunting right, unlike the outfitters that give little for the same or resident that give nothing.this is not to say that all redident hunter are like that but i here from the land owner that that is where they have the most problems. we practice QDM .we have lots of n/r come to our state & we try to make them feel welcome as do the locals where we go in IL. and we pay top dollar for our local leases in my home state. ground that i hunted from the time i was a child is now either leased or developed.and if you would like rage you are welcome to come to WV and hunt with us we will share with you . but you will have to pay the $220 n/r lic. fee.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 02/14 at 09:06 PM

@ hunterjjj ..... I tip my hat to you in thanks!.....PW

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 02/14 at 10:06 PM

marc anthony- how can you complain about non-residents when you hunt other states? some guys complain about outfitters then use them out west! i just don’t get it!

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 02/15 at 10:07 AM

Non-residents already comprise a small portion of the hunters taking afield each year in Illinois. To worry about the impacts of NR youth, which comprise even a smaller percentage than that, is silly. I had never known that until now NR youth were not able to participate in the youth season. Sure, NRs are more plentiful in some parts of the state than others, but residents are usually always the majority and IMO they are more destructive to the deer herd than NRs.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 02/15 at 10:39 AM

“marc anthony- how can you complain about non-residents when you hunt other states? some guys complain about outfitters then use them out west! i just don’t get it!”
baldwalnut, you don’t get it because you’re only reading what you want it to say. First of all, where does it say I’m against NR’s? It doesn’t. I complain about TOO MANY NR’s, not the NR’s themselves. Illinois has an access problem, by the DNR’s own admission, so why would you keep selling an outrageous amount of tags to the NR’s? It only pushes an overcrowded public hunting spot even closer to the brink of destruction. It also takes away any slim chance for a resident hunter to find a spot on public ground. Some of my friends are NR’s and they come here to hunt and I’m all for that. Too much is too much! Illinois has been for sale for years and it just keeps getting worse. More revenue out of our pockets then any other year in history and yet it doesn’t show up at the DNR. When are people going to wake up!
FYI, I’ve never used an outfitter. I though I’d better get that in here before I’m accused of that also.

Posted by Marc Anthony on 02/15 at 12:21 PM

I think some of you should stop lumping in a NR landowner with the run of the mill NR hunter.  There is a difference.  When you buy something, it’s yours.  If you don’t like, you should have bought it.  It’s not even a NR thing these people are complaining about.  It’s a non-local thing.  I moved to central Illinois about 15 years ago and was treated like crap for being a landowner from up north (still in IL).  Locals disliked me because they were no longer allowed to hunt the property I purchased.  Somehow that’s my fault?  After years, this went away as I became a local.  All you have to do is buy land in a county other than where you live and you’re looked at as an outsider.  This isn’t just an Illinois problem.  It’s the same in Wisconsin…except much worse.  We need to stop treating every outsider like an illegal alien.  Don’t get me wrong, if it were up to me, Illinois would drastically reduce the number of NR tags issued each year.  But I refuse to treat an Illinois landowner (NR) like an unwanted outsider.  I’m sure everyone on this site has experienced many more problems with resident hunters than with NR’s.  Including you Wisconsin!  Especially you Wisconsin!  If you buy land in Illinois, you are an Illinois land owner…period.  I wouldn’t mind giving a NR landowner the same rights and permits I have as a resident landowner.  I’d just remove the amount of tags alotted to NR landowners from the NR till.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 02/15 at 02:22 PM

I love to fly, but cannot afford my own plane; so I fly commericial. I love to salmon fish, so I tag along with my friends on their boat. I love to golf, so I go to the public golf course. If your hobby is hunting and you do not own your own land, do not have friends with hunting ground, and are unwilling to hunt own public ground; then perhaps you should consider a new hobby.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 02/16 at 09:46 PM

Here is my thinking on the whole situation. I am from central Illinois, Knox, Warren, Fulton county area. I dont mind non-resident hunters but feel they should have to find places to hunt just like us locals. I remember back in the early 2000’s that the IL deer herd was at its best. I was harvesting big bucks and my neighbors were too. Not only were we taking big bucks but we were taking does and managing the land. Deer numbers were at their highest, they werent pressured to where they pick you off in the tree from a distance or now they are laying out in the middle of nowhere in a clump of grass where nobody bothers them. Its not all about the “big rack” the reason I shoot mature deer not only bucks but does alike is I like to see them grow up and not get killed in 6 months to 2 yrs. Don’t you think they should have a right to experience this great outdoors that god has created for us? Now all it is around me is 4 outfitters that run 30-70 hunters each every year. All of my neighbors have lost their hunting spots and arent shooting the deer they would like. So now we (once friends) are at each others throats because this person is hunting this ground and so on. It all boils down to our GREEDY state and how they do not care about our natural resources.

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