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Archery deer harvest behind last year

January 12, 2010 at 03:26 PM

The Illinois archery deer harvest continues to lag behind last season with a few days of hunting left.

Preliminary archery deer harvest through Monday, Jan. 11 is 62,801, compared to last year’s total of 63620 at the same time. 

The top five counties are Pike (3,472), Fulton (1,766), Jefferson (1,471), Adams (1,379) and Peoria (1,274). 

Current sex ratios in the harvest are 50.3% female to 49.7% male.

Here are complete county-by-county harvest totals.

Archery_deer_report_1-11-10.pdf

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I think lungbuster shot em all!! LOL

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/12 at 05:23 PM

here we go again… rnd 15

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/12 at 06:46 PM

There is nothing new here.  Move along. Move along.  Next year’s totals will be down even lower than this year’s.  Less Counties will be in the LWS next year, as more and more Counties lose more and more deer.  Better either get a new hobby or get used to seeing a lot less deer.  That seems to be your choice here.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/12 at 09:24 PM

Lungbuster shot em all???? I wish! I only killed 3 this year. Last year I had 5, and the years before that I had 6,4,8,10,11,4.

My numbers have been slumping the past few years….mainly because I have developed other hobbies, such as getting on PSO and causing a rukus when I could be out hunting.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/12 at 10:05 PM

Sorry Fellers, I must accept some of the blame here. A shoulder injury sidelined me for the entire bow season. I guess I’ll have to try and feed my family with some late season does this weekend. If not, it will be mountain lion steaks and a side of fresh, and plentiful, Illinois corn for ‘em.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/12 at 10:22 PM

Its obvious what’s happening.

More people are eating chicken!

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/12 at 10:41 PM

62,801 thru Jan 11
61,567 thru Jan 3
1,234 killed in the last 8 days.
about 150 a day average
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Just kind of neat to see how many deer bowhunters are killing this time of year, in the below normal temps.

Should be interesting to see if bowhunters can make up for the 800 less kills then last year, with the extra 3 day weekend added on to this years archery season, this coming weekend ?????

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/12 at 10:53 PM

“Less Counties will be in the LWS next year”
Big D….I think & hope you are right about that. With all the standing corn this fall, giving the deer more places to hang out & feed easily in, maybe that helped keep the deer off the roads some too ?????
With less deer & more place for deer to hide & feed in, we could see some pretty good drops in DVA. SOOO….IF the IDNR follows the DVA rates, ( AS THEY SAID THEY WOULD ) we should see more counties coming out of the herd reduction program.
Time will tell. ????

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/12 at 11:12 PM

its the 4th sign of the apocolypse

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/13 at 03:34 AM

DNR attempts to establish a new baseline appear to be working. Deja vu 1994.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/13 at 06:18 AM

20 min.‘s to daylight i’m headed in to my stand.still hunting still seeing deer only thing is its alot colder..

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/13 at 06:23 AM

OMG an 819 deer difference, its the end of the herd, we wont have any deer next year, omg we must protest since our deer are gone forever,wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/13 at 08:05 AM

Look at the bright side of these statistics.  First, the current sex ratios in the harvest are 50.3% female to 49.7% male.  Which means that Illinois archers value a doe deer at least as much as a buck deer.  Or, it could mean that the Buck:Doe ratio is very close to 1:1, which is a great B:D ratio if you are managing for trophy deer. But, the IDNR already stated that is not the case, they are managing to keep the deer/auto collision rate down.  Of course, it could mean that the archers are under-reporting about 16% of their kill by not calling them in under the “honor” system reporting method. Without a few check stations, it is impossible to tell about that. Or it could mean that another 20% of deer are shot by bow hunters and are not recovered, therefore, not reported as “harvested,” although, many of them crawl under some downed timber and die, and become an unreported statistic.  So you see, it’s just like Grandpa used to say: “Figures never lie, but Liars always figure.”  I also find it very interesting that with 101 counties open to archery, and the season rapidly coming to a close, that we are only harvesting 1.5 deer per county per day.  Doesn’t that seem a bit low, even for the cold weather this year?

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/13 at 08:07 AM

johnh if you’re going to write nothing but useless sarcasm, then the least you can do is refrain from out-posting everyone in the state.
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When the PSO site started it was interesting and informative, but it has slipped badly in recent months simply because some posters don’t know when to STFU.

Posted by Henry Holt on 01/13 at 08:41 AM

I don’t care who you are…. That’s funny right there.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/13 at 08:53 AM

Big D Grandpa had it right. With out the ck. stations who knows how many really are not counted.We all know that we will always have deer in IL. but just how many is another story.With the longer seasons and so many guys hunting now and the eguipment we have common sense tells us we just can’t keep taking em. But the bottom line it’s about the money. Just look at all the hunting shows on TV now selling us everything you can think of to kill a deer. There so much money thats made for the State and companies my guess is when the herd is really in trouble then maybe then we all wake up. Hope so.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/13 at 08:57 AM

Marshall increased from all other years..go figure

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/13 at 08:59 AM

As Murdy said, we are talking about a 1% difference which is insignificant.  Much as the input from hunters who hunt 40, 160, 500 or even 1000 acres and are saying that they are not seeing as many deer as in the past (which is a biased and non-scientific measure to begin with).  To then use this input to then say that the whole state deer numbers are down, is illogical.  It would be like asking 5 people how they are going to vote for governor and then use those numbers to determine how the whole state is going to vote.  If anything, the harvest numbers disproves what most are saying on here about the deer population and that deer numbers are stable and not increasing at best.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/13 at 09:30 AM

Interesting to see that the most heavily outfitted county has a fairly significant drop. I’m guessing alot of them outfitted kills are not calling them in, or trying to pass them off other ways a la Golden Triangle and Hadley creek.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/13 at 09:50 AM

seriously tho henry, this is the 43rd topic about deer and the same people been posting the same crap over and over and over again, nothing new just same useless diatribe and unsustantiated opinions. get over it if you cant take a lil bit of sarcasm, then ohh well. or is it when i do make a point i make more sense then the armegeddon is coming deer crew

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/13 at 10:01 AM

it could be because the dnr is sharpshooting all of them. I know thats why there are no deer left in mchenry county.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/13 at 12:19 PM

First of all, I like reading peoples opinions.  Reading these comments helps me understand what’s going on with our deer herd, like I have said you only know what you see, so I love hearing what you are seeing!  We need more people writing serious, well thought out opinions. We need to get peoples input from all over the state and figure this out. We must educate people on deer management!!
  The deer #‘s are only down 1% but still down, if we really have a deer problem then, corn in the fields or not, we would have killed more deer. This shows me what think is true…
My opinion;
    95% of Illinois doesn’t have a deer “problem”. The problem lies in location, location, location. Where there are the most deer in where we see them, around some of the urban areas where we are building our houses, where they(the deer) use to live. Now really the deer numbers aren’t unhealthy but the insurance companies think so, and they have the Gold, so they make the Rules!
  Management to me is a fine line because we have to do what is best for us and the deer at the same time. So on my farms I try to raise numbers as high as I can get them without the farmers having problems with crop damage, because then we have people loosing money and that is their livelihood, This land in Illinois can handle more deer then we will probably ever see or care to see, our carrying capacity is almost limitless. But we must keep them in check for our sake and the sake of the deer herd.
  Now with the check stations, I am hearing people say they want them back… ok so lets get them back. It will mean people will have to volunteer, the state doesn’t have the money, but I have some ides which I will talk about later … I had so much fun at the check stations watching people, talking to people, and checking out deer. I am all for check stations is a great place to educate people on deer!!!! We could make it fun, cooking out, hang out, teaching the kids about the right way to manage and have a great time!!!! that’s what hunting is about, enjoying Gods creation, having fun with friends, learning, and teaching!! But honestly, I don’t think they make a difference in people not checking in deer.  if you’re going to cheat you’re going to cheat!
  Now for the LWAS, this sounds to me like some kind of bowhunter issues. Because we cant have people trying to kill deer in towns with guns! And it shouldn’t be a late season for many reasons!
  We need to educate people on deer management and start practicing! We just need to shoot the right deer in the seasons we already have! Every hunter needs to be educated on deer management, read and understand why and what deer you should keep in you’re herd and harvest. Take it upon your self to seek information. if you need info http://www.QDMA.com or contact me ill get you a magazine, or come to my seminars! I have given several and already have several planned! Come to the Elmwood All Outdoors Show on Saturday March 6, 2010, my seminar is Saturday @ 3 Good luck and God bless!!
FoodplotPhil

Posted by food plot phil on 01/13 at 12:56 PM

There may be an approx. 1000 taken deer difference from last year…..
BUT
How many tags were sold as compared to last year. (hypothetically) If 65,000 deer were taken last year with only 100,00 tags sold compared to 64,000 deer taken this season with 200,000 tags sold….wouldnt you then start to think there is a problem?
I for one want our deer heard counted and also want to know how many tags are being sold compared to the amount of deer taken for each year. After we gwt that info, then we can begin to see whats happening to our deer heard and act accordingly.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/13 at 02:48 PM

I agree with food plot phil on the check stations, if somebody is going to poach,why would still having check stations stop them? All it was to me was a 1 1/2hr. round trip so some college kid could put a leg band on your deer, look at a few deer in some other hunters truck and go home. Not assuming anything on any body’s age either,but if you hunted back in the 70’s there was some parts of the state that still didn’t have a lot of deer, there were times you might go a couple of week ends and not see one. If that happened today, I would hate to read all the negative comments on here. There is also one other thing to consider also, yes, the weather wasn’t great, crops were also late getting out, but a lot of the fields were not chisle plowed either, so as in years past, the deer didn’t have to move as much this year to find food because so much ground didn’t get worked. Now I will state that in my area do I think there are as many deer now as there was 5 years ago, no there isn’t, why. I am not sure, no outfitters close, over hunting,I would say no. Maybe nature doing it’s own culling? Is there a pesticide or fertilizer being used that effects breeding. With all the genetic work that goes with corn seed, who knows how it will effect the deer when they eat it, or the round up ready beans, what effect does this have on wildlife? With the Asian beetle problems the past few years, what has the crop dusters been putting on the fields, and maybe there is no effect at all from this. I know sometimes it’s easy to just point a finger and say it’s their fault, but maybe it could be bunch of small problems that make it one big problem overall.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/13 at 03:10 PM

Ronbo - using the number of tags to prove the theory of a significant decrease can be flawed as well.  For example, I hold 4 bow tags (for the 2-buck rule) when each year, I seldom fill more than 2 (this year, I filled none).  I would not buy 4 tags if it were not for the 2-buck rule.  Same goes for gun tags; I buy various gun tags just so I’m legal to hunt all the seasons (2 for shotgun season, 2 for muzzleloader season, 1 for the LWS season, although this year the LWS tag is not needed if you have unfilled gun tags).  You go back a few years and I was only buying 1 set of bow tags and a gun tag or two.  My point - it would be interesting to see if the increase in bow tags are a result of 1) new hunters, or 2) the same hunters buying multiple tags.  I’m guessing it is the option 2. 

And for the record, I’m NOT saying that there is NOT a deer decrease just that the stats and numbers we keep seeing do not prove it.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/13 at 03:26 PM

Good posts FPP and Ronbo. Only a ~1% drop DESPITE the increase in effort. Regardless, I cling to the fact that this IS the DNR’s management strategy = herd reduction. Reduce DVA’s by increasing hunting pressure. Period. For that reason alone, harvest numbers will be misleading due to the confounding effects of increased pressure. For the most part, I’m okay with this strategy. We’re talking about establishing a new baseline for the deer herd, not extinction (or the apocolypse, lol).

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/13 at 03:27 PM

Your right on also gilly1, I didn’t get to hunt as much as I would have wanted to this year, I still have 2 bow tags & 1 gun tag, my buddy shot 2 does early, but still has 2 bow & 1 gun tag and still has 2 youth shotgun tags for his boys. And between two guys I know that that have landowner permits, there is 4 gun And 2 bow permits unused, right there is 14 unused permits. But to be truthful does DNR go by permits issued OR permits sold? Just asking because if there are a lot of land owner permits issued/sold but not used this can also make a big change in the numbers.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/13 at 03:49 PM

very well put berlin!

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/13 at 05:00 PM

Very true…didn’t think about that part of it. I myself have 2 archery and 2 shotgun tags still…not to mention no deer yet…lol. It would be interesting to see how many people bought tags compared to the number of deer taken.
One thing I think everyone who hunts deer can agree upon is….our deer need to be counted before any more decisions are made.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/13 at 07:08 PM

tHIS IS MY FIRST TIME MAKING A COMMENT ON ANY OF THESE SIGHTS. BUT FOR THE BOW HUNTING HAS PEOPLE THOUGHT FARMERS AROUND THE CHRISTIAN COUNTY AREA AND MACON COUNTY AREAS WON’T LET YOU HUNT ANYMORE. ME AND MY SON HUNTED IN CHRISTIAN COUNTY 20 MILES OUT OF DECATUR FOR OVER TEN YEARS AND WE WERE KILLING 4 TO 6 DEER A YEAR WITH OUR BOWS. ON THIS INSTANCE THE FARMERS SONS WANTED TO HUNT IT BY THEIR SELVES WHICH IS UNDERSTANDABLE AND WE’VE TRIED TO FIND ANOTHER PLACE WITHIN 25 MILES OF DECATUR AND CANNOT FIND ONE. ALL WE CAN DO IS HUNT CONSERVATION WHERE TONS OF PEOPLE ARE HUNTING. WE HAD FOUR PERMITS THIS YEAR AND KILLED ZERO. FOR THE SHOTGUN END WE TRAVELED 150 MILES TO WHITE COUNTY USED TO HUNT RIVER BOTTOMS AND NOW ONE FARMER LEASED FARM GROUND AND WILL NOT ALLOW HUNTING ON THOUSANDS OF ACRES AND THE REST OF THE GROUND WE USED TO HUNT IN WHITE COUNTY HAS BEEN LEASED OUT TO THE BIG OUTFITTERS. SO WE HAVE BEEN SQUEEZED INTO ABOUT FIVE ACRES FOR THREE OF US WHICH IS NOT GOOD. SO FAR THREE DEER OUT OF SIX PERMITS. GONNA TRY THIS COMING WEEKEND TO FINISH UP.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/13 at 09:06 PM

Feel for you longbowe.  Hard to read the all caps though, but in my opinion you can thank the trophy rules economics of deer hunting.  For those that fought to make IL such a trophy mecca have indeed made it harder for those without their own land.  Hopefully this bubble will pass.  Its hard to believe someone can spend so much on deer access with the economy down and all.  The price per inch of antler is outrageous.  Perhaps the decline in numbers isn’t the number of deer, its the number of hunters.  There has to be a limit to the bull market.  In the meantime, you are under appreciated.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/13 at 09:46 PM

thats why you buy your own land longbowe, go and work 2 jobs for 20 years like i did to buy my land and houses, just seems like most hunters feel they are entitled to deer. like i said i busted my but for my land and wont lease it to anyone, i might let a friend ocassionally hunt it but thats not too often since most my friends also own there own land too and dont have to worry bout what someone else does to there land whether they lease it out, dont allow hunting or lease to an outfitter, if you get your own land then most hunters wouldnt have any issues but im sure they could find more to complain about.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/13 at 09:48 PM

The gun control left wing may get to the hunters first.  The anti’s will celebrate as there will be no need to ban hunting when you have no weapons to use…

johnh - congrats on your success.  most hunters do not feel entitled to anything including access to your private land.  you are right about the last line, folks can certainly find a lot to complain about…some just complain and way more than others…

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/13 at 10:26 PM

...and some complain about complaining…
*****
Longbowe, I have family in Decatur that deer hunt and we are seeing the same things as you throughout Macon County (in fact, it is state-wide). We still have permission to hunt private land for free (~80 acres) in Macon County, but we are surrounded by leased areas so it’s just a matter of time before this land owner wakes up and see’s the financial potential on his property. In which case, we won’t hunt it because we won’t pay. But we’ve hunted this property for over 20 years and we’ve benefited from a “lazy” land owner. Although I wouldn’t consider myself a landowner per se, my family does own small (4-8 acres) lots in the outskirts of Decatur. These ‘backyard’ areas have actually been our best deer hunting spots in the past few years. They are surrounded by other undeveloped properties that the deer use as corridors. My father planted a small apple orchard and created a small old-field habitat in one of these backyard properties that constantly attracts deer. We see deer all the time. In fact, there were 13 deer feeding in our backyard last night - one of them a nice 12 pointer. I would recommend seeking out some of these properties which you can find relatively cheap and closer to home. You could buy one of these properties for a couple years’ lease payments. Barring that, it’s elbow-to-elbow on public land (which also has nice deer). Cheers and happy hunting…

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/14 at 06:28 AM

Here’s a question regarding the # of tags sold…. How many NEW hunters are in the field?  I bought more tags this year than I normally do (10 total as compared to 6).  So does that mean (in DNR terms) there are 40% more hunters out there?  I was lucky to get 4 deer this year.  Last year I only took 1 and saw fewer deer too.  I didn’t hear as many shots this year on neighboring properties, BUT on the 80 acres I hunt, so far this year, 18 deer have been taken (11 does, 5 bucks with nice racks guessing 3.5 years or older, 2 button bucks).  This is the most deer taken on this property ever (we average 8-10 per year).  The guy living there is still seeing lots of deer.  The herd supposedly declining is regional.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/14 at 08:57 AM

murdy the non land owners will always have the opporitunity to hunt but the thing is you hunters want like a billion deer for the people who just go down and buy a tag and gun and actually put no real work into hunting, i honestly could care less about the weekend hunter and what he feels is right for the herd, i work hard on my land and i have and always will have deer, why should some yahooo who probably cant even shoot a gun have just as much opporitunity as people who work hard to hunt for deer such as real hunters do. a real hunter will build food plots, bedding areas, will do research on the deer for months ahead of time and usually will get a deer regardless, i just dont feel any weekend warrior should even have the right to complain about a herd if they arent doing anything themselves to benefit the herd or even really working to try and get a deer. killing a deer is a privledge and a skill not an unalienable right for ever person who owns a gun or bow then gets upset they can shoot 10 deer in a public park.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/14 at 09:43 AM

that last can should be a cant.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/14 at 09:45 AM

Johnh you say buy your own land and then maybe let a freind hunt occasionaly, is’nt that adding to no place to hunt like alot are complaining about?

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/14 at 09:51 AM

well they have every opporitunity to buy there own land and do with as they please, to me if there not buying and hunting there own land then they really have nothing to complain about. they can choose to allow hunting or not allow hunting thats all there choice. my point is that alot of people are wanting private land hunting on public land which no matter how the herd is managed will never be the same and if they want the hunting to be the way they want the only answer is to get there own land and stop expecting dnr to manage something they can manage themselves. im honestly so fed up with the illinois hunters gimme gimme attitude and feeling of entitlement id lease to an outfitter before i would most hunters ive seen on this website.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/14 at 11:47 AM

I want to provide some information from the perspective of a landowner on the subject of allowing public access on private property for whatever reason, be it hunting, ATV riding, hiking, mushroom hunting etc. In 2005, a significant change was made to the law which prevously limited the liability of landowers for allowing individuals to access their property for recreational purposes. With this change, the following is what I understand about my potential liability after talking to my insurance agent. As a landowner, I can be held liable/sued for damages if anyone gets hurt on my property-even if they are tresspassing.  Depending on the amount of damages, future premiums could be increased significantly or coverage could be dropped. If I lease my property for more than $500, then this would be considered a commercial use of my property and therefore would require a different insurance policy than I currently have.  I do allow people on my property, but it is only people I know well and really trust. You may be thinking that you would never expect the landowner to have to cover damages if you get hurt on their property.  Thats great and that the way I think, but the reality is that after you get hurt and seek medical attention, your insurance company takes control of the events that will occur next. The first question they will ask is,  where did you got hurt? If you say at xyz’s farm, then xyz’s insurance company will be expected to cover costs.  It’s sad that it has come to this for some individuals will never want to take responsibility for their own behaviors and actions and the law supports that. And for those who are willing to take responsibility for there own actions, often they can’t because the laws around liabitly prevent it.  One of Marc Millers objectives per the 2009 Conservation Congress is to address this liability issue with public access to private property. Until then, keep this in mind from the perspective of the landowner.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/14 at 12:09 PM

Fed up with the IL.hunters gimme gimme attitude. Hey johnh you sound a little like me me me guy. I worked hard for my little patch of land too. Before I had it allot of folks not all would let me hunt on there land. I learn from them they were real sportsmen they hunted and enjoyed when they got there deer, rabbit, pheasent or what ever they were gald to let someone else have a try. So when some kid wants to squirrel,rabbit or even deer hunt on my land and if I’m done and he or she is polite sure good ahead. Thats how it used too be. Now days its allot of me me me. Those damm deer belong to everybody not just some of us.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/14 at 12:39 PM

johnh, congrats to you for working hard and buying your own property. But to say that if you don’t own your land you don’t deserve to hunt or have any say about anything, is just plain out wrong. Buy the way did you buy your deer and put them on your property? So you have to put out food plots to draw in your deer, I have hunted 30+ years and have never,ever hunted over a food plot and have killed plenty of deer over the years, I would say us real hunters can find where the deer are moving, bedding down and feeding. Maybe, just maybe, someday I will have to buy my own property, but I grew up in a rural area, and have grown up with most of the farmers and know their kids also, they know I treat their property like I do own it, most of them tell me I can do whatever I want to do on it. I also make the effort to help a young hunter to get a deer or if they shoot one and can’t find it to show them and help them track the deer. I hope you was just an a rant & rave for a little while, if not I would really hate to live in your little lonely kingdom, because the last time I checked we are still Americans and every one of us has the right to free speech. And again congrats on your hard work I bet you have a great place!

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/14 at 12:42 PM

Sorry about my little rant! But getting back to deer numbers, should DNR be looking also at the number of mature does to yearling does that have been killed in the past 3-4 years? When you call in to report your kill you have to give the centimeters, so, if there has been a big number of mature does killed in that time frame, that also means a decrease of twins or even triplets being born. Since you have to also report your county, I would (hope) that DNR would also look at these numbers, or make them available to look at.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/14 at 01:20 PM

i didnt say they dont deserve to hunt, i said they just shouldnt complain bout it or expect to have the same sort of herd and herd management that a private land has that the property owner worked hard for to make into an area where dear flourish. alot of the public land people hunt is paid for by the taxes of the landowner as well as proceeds from licences and what not. i see alot of hunters think that the deer are a resource that is owed to them and most wont go beyond typing on a computer to help this resource yet expect everyone else to. i had let hunters on my land before to hunt but after finding everything from fires,beercans, spent shotgun shells, guts deer taken just for horns i refuse to let anyone besides a chosen few even on my land and would prosecute anyone who did trespass and took advantage of the areas and habitat i have worked hard for to purchase and create.
I hear hunter after hunter complain bout access, well if you buy your own land then you have all the access you want. Im not saying all hunters are slobs or take advantage of the resource but alot do and untill all hunters learn not to take advantage of a resource made available to them through the hard works of others my opinion will remain the same.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/14 at 01:23 PM

Johnh, I think I agree with the root of your reasoning. I’m not a big landowner, but I understand the situation we all are in. It’s either (A) get really lucky with a landowner that let’s you hunt for FREE; (B) pay to play on private land; (C) go public; or (D) buy your own property. Private land is just that - private. A landowner can do as he/she pleases and that includes granting access. I’m totally okay with that. Stemming from this is what I feel is the biggest issue for the future of Illinois hunting = public access. Even if all hunters could affort to buy land, there would still be people left out because land in and of itself is a limited resource. To get more people involved, you (DNR) gotta provide more worthy opportunities. And that’s not to say there currently aren’t good public opportunities right now. Some of my favorite hunting places are on public land…you just have to be willing to go that extra mile (sometimes literally)....

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/14 at 01:32 PM

and one other thing ” GET YOUR PANTS OFF THE GROUND”

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/14 at 01:46 PM

SHELBYHUNTR thats what i meant in one of my other posts, is there is good deer on public land just got to work for em, be there first day of season, research it before hand, do the work of actually hunting the deer, the main people i take issue with is the guy who expects to just walk in the woods after 9 months and expect that there be hundreds of deer to shoot at, it wont ever work that way.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/14 at 01:50 PM

then they complain there is no deer without putting any work into to hunt them or sustain them.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/14 at 01:52 PM

Sounds like I stirred up a bunch of different opinions. On Johnh I would never trespass on anybody’s land and I congratulate you on working two jobs for twenty years but some people can’t do that. I used to work twelve to fourteen hour days just to make ends meet and feed my family I worked the same place for thirty years and have retired now but I thought raising a family and feeding my family was more important than trying to buy land to hunt on. And i donot expect landowners that hunt their own ground to allow hunters on there if there is not enough room. If you would read my first comment you would see that I don’t blame them for not wanting us to hunt there anymore because their sons want to hunt it. That wasn’t the reason I wrote the first comment I was trying to make a point that is one reason that deer kill population is down because the river bottoms in white county that I used to shotgun in and camp in. One guy leased all farm ground and I am talking probably more than three thousand timber acres and he will let nobody hunt or camp or fish.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 01/14 at 02:22 PM

ohh i wasnt responding to anyone in paticular longbowe, just a gripe i had thats all and it was bout hunters more or less, if people do the research and the footwork public land can be fine to hunt on and usually is. its mainly the weekend warriors who pick up a dusty shotgun and expect to kill a record or trophy deer and are upset they cant. Myself i could care less bout a trophy and when i do want to hunt ill harvest a young deer cause they taste better and are alot more tender unless im doing some management and have to get rid of some deer. ill see plenty of nice deer but usually pass them up. same with fishing if i catch a huge bass, walleye, or musky ill release them and rather keep a medium sized one because of the taste factor and plus id rather let the good breeders go same as with deer.

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