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Illinois hunting and fishing

While overall harvest in Illinois was down for the first firearm season, some hunters fared well. These three bucks were all taken between 7-8;30 a.m. on opening morning, Nov. 20. From left to right are Dewey Collins, Tom LaFollette and Rod Eiker.

Illinois firearm deer harvest down

November 24, 2009 at 03:37 PM

Too much corn. Too few deer.

Hunter after hunter has uttered the same thing following last weekend’s first firearm deer season in Illinois. Evidently they weren’t just making excuses.

According to the Department of Natural Resources, firearm hunters shot 66,126 deer statewide during the three-day firearm hunt. The harvest is down from 71,894 last year, is well off the five-year average of 78,404 and is the lowest first-season total since 2003.

That’s despite dry, relatively warm weather and despite the state issuing more than 360,000 permits.

Has the Illinois deer population suddenly declined? Not so say biologists.

“Standing corn was a significant factor affecting hunter success for the first weekend of firearm deer hunting this year,” DNR deer biologist Paul Shelton said. “The wet weather this fall has delayed corn harvest in many locations, and that makes it tougher for hunters to find deer.”

Through Monday, Illinois farmers had only 60 percent of the corn crop harvested compared to the five-year average of 98 percent.

“I spent all of Friday and Saturday in the stand and saw one deer,” said Brian Davis of Elmwood. “But when I was driving home I saw a doe in the middle of the road. As soon as I got close she ran off into the corn.”

Amidst the grumbling, there were plenty of smiling gun hunters with stories of success.

That included Tom LaFollette of Galesburg, part of a six-hunter group who spent the weekend in Knox County north of Galesburg. LaFollette, Dewey Collins and Tyler
Eiker all had mature bucks down before 8:30 a.m. on opening day.

“I know a lot of guys had been complaining that they were not seeing much because of the corn, but they were moving for us,” LaFollette said. “It’s not real typical for us to get three big ones like that on opening morning.

“We’ve killed a lot of bucks out there, but never three like that in one day. Usually we see quite a few, we just don’t manage to get them.”

Other big bucks reported included a 12-pointer shot on opening day in Peoria County by Steve Burgess (pictured below), Laura hunter Nathan Foose’s 11-pointer from Fulton County, a 17-pointer from Tazewell County shot by Rick Hochstetler of Pekin and Metamora hunter Karen Leeper’s 17-pointer from Woodford County.

Illinois hunting and fishing

Overall firearm hunters shot 60 percent bucks, compared to 59 percent during the first season in 2008.

Pike County led the state with 2,012 deer followed by Fulton 1,725, Adams 1,614, Jefferson 1,606 and Randolph 1,576.

Shelton said there’s a silver lining to the slow first season. “There is still a lot of deer hunting left, so loads of opportunities remain for Illinois hunters.”
Illinois’ second firearm season is Dec. 3-6, muzzleloader-only season is Dec. 11-13 and the late-winter antlerless-only hunt is Dec. 31 to Jan. 3 and Jan. 15-17. Unfilled tags from firearm hunts can be used in the late-winter season, provided the county for which they are issued is open.

The preliminary first-season figures reported for each county include those deer taken on special hunt areas within that county as well as on private land.

The IDNR has issued more than 360,000 firearm deer hunting permits for the 2009 season.  Most hunters register their deer harvest online through the IDNR web site or by phoning 1-866-ILCHECK (1-866-452-4325) by 10 p.m. on the day of harvest.  Hunters in Boone, DeKalb, Grundy, Kane, LaSalle, McHenry, Ogle, Stephenson and Winnebago counties take their deer to county check stations where the IDNR registers the deer and conducts sampling for chronic wasting disease (CWD).

Among those taking antlered deer was Takohma Beach, 11, of Pekin (pictured below) who shot her first deer on opening day.

Illinois hunting and fishing

Preliminary First-Season Illinois Firearm Deer Harvest
(Nov. 20-22, 2009 compared with Nov. 21-23, 2008)

County 2009 2008
Adams 1614 1900
Alexander 328 335
Bond 566 632
Boone 102 90
Brown 938 996
Bureau 820 1030
Calhoun 858 889
Carroll 698 740
Cass 494 510
Champaign 171 195
Christian 400 466
Clark 908 896
Clay 942 998
Clinton 581 635
Coles 502 550
Crawford 798 831
Cumberland 617 654
DeKalb 126 136
DeWitt 250 303
Douglas 130 156
Edgar 528 555
Edwards 366 354
Effingham 765 795
Fayette 1336 1480
Ford 74 115
Franklin 779 827
Fulton 1725 1878
Gallatin 421 402
Greene 873 989
Grundy 274 269
Hamilton 872 901
Hancock 1215 1553
Hardin 747 780
Henderson 390 432
Henry 479 561
Iroquois 387 548
Jackson 1416 1612
Jasper 837 915
Jefferson 1606 1650
Jersey 585 670
JoDaviess 1493 1518
Johnson 1304 1385
Kane 38 43
Kankakee 121 157
Kendall 59 53
Knox 866 1048
Lake 9 19
LaSalle 756 957
Lawrence 457 420
Lee 436 446
Livingston 316 392
Logan 235 298
Macon 203 217
Macoupin 1200 1228
Madison 638 648
Marion 1374 1404
Marshall 548 607
Mason 443 484
Massac 425 369
McDonough 707 759
McHenry 215 216
McLean 450 490
Menard 310 288
Mercer 551 632
Monroe 792 863
Montgomery 841 861
Morgan 732 674
Moultrie 206 224
Ogle 645 730
Peoria 1012 1133
Perry 899 964
Piatt 115 134
Pike 2012 2194
Pope 1275 1301
Pulaski 471 533
Putnam 365 361
Randolph 1576 1770
Richland 614 635
Rock Island 578 610
Saline 644 726
Sangamon 541 598
Schuyler 1114 1166
Scott 368 374
Shelby 996 1025
St. Clair 656 724
Stark 186 216
Stephenson 547 643
Tazewell 505 527
Union 1168 1323
Vermilion 472 648
Wabash 211 218
Warren 388 481
Washington 839 864
Wayne 1247 1316
White 692 699
Whiteside 501 542
Will 214 267
Williamson 1101 1176
Winnebago 269 315
Woodford 662 753
Total 66126 71894

 

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I’m surprised the total harvest was actually this high.  Shocked actually.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 11/24 at 04:21 PM

Harvest was down 17% in my county this year!!!

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 11/24 at 04:34 PM

That means we get to hunt some more…hot diggity…my hog is still out there…probaby put on a few more pounds snarfing up all that corn.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 11/24 at 06:21 PM

Hope these harvest decreases don’t establish a long downward trend!

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 11/24 at 07:02 PM

I would like to hear just what Mr. Shelton would consider the PERFECT conditions for a firearm season- SOMEWHERE in a state the size and length of Illinois, there’s gonna be corn- there’s gonna be wind- there’s gonna be rain-there’s gonna be snow-there’s gonna be cold-there’s gonna be warmth-It’s gonna be dry-It’s gonna be wet-Blah Blah Blah-

The Lowest harvest since 2003 with 360000 permits- Isn’t that a record in itself? for permit sales?! A true IDNR success! Congrats to them!

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 11/24 at 07:04 PM

Maybe I am just crazy but I am seeing a lot more Bowhunters. 
Maybe more meat is filling the empty freezers earlier.

Why don’t they list the accumulate number of total deer killed (bow, youth, and firearm)  Then we can see the real numbers.  Jut because firearm is lower doesnt mean the less were killed so far compared to past years.

I know of many hunters who let deer walk by waiting for colder weather.  In the past when firearm was 2 weekends you had to take the first deer cause you might not see another one.  Now, you got at least 14 firearm days (firearm weekends and 2 late winter weekends).  I don’t think there is much hurry.

I’m surprised the total harvest was actually this high.  Shocked actually

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 11/24 at 07:44 PM

This FACT is the single biggest factor, and it is this, “Through Monday, Illinois farmers had only 60 percent of the corn crop harvested compared to the five-year average of 98 percent.”

I hate to break it you all, but with the millions of corn acres, only having 60% out means there is 40% still standing. Thats a ton of cover for your deer. 
Ya’ll need to take some prozac, relax, and come back 2nd season. It will be a blood bath, i gaurantee it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 11/24 at 07:45 PM

what the heck,are you people blind or just like to argue?This downward trend is not a one time phenomenen.This has been going on for a few years now,despite more permits being issued every year.The cash cow will soon dry up when people like you and me quit buying tags not to mention out of staters moving on to managed deer herds in other states.The insurance companies will no longer need to lobby our state leaders,creating further cash shortfalls.The task force was a group of hand picked yes men giving the state a free pass to further the problem.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 11/24 at 07:53 PM

Many uys have harvested their deer this season, but they put in their time, and figured the deer out, or just waited one out! Get you some comfy boots and go find them. They WILL leave the corn.

Posted by Roemer on 11/24 at 10:22 PM

how did i guess that people would be blaming this on dnr or make this a political debate… grow the heck up guys some of you sound like old woman with your constant moaning and groaning.. you dont like it stop hunting.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 11/24 at 10:44 PM

The point of the DNR’s “Kill’um All” strategy is herd reduction, maybe they are succeding. I’m not alone in having a bad year for seeing deer in general although I have put meat in the freezer. Standing corn, more hunters, less deer… Lots of blame to go around or maybe I’m just not as clever as I thought when it comes to deer hunting.
I hope we don’t return to the deer population numbers that we had in the 70’s. Would it be so hard to limit the permits to ensure a health deer herd? Now would be a good time to start. Nevermind, there’s no money in doing that so it’ll never happen

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 11/25 at 06:23 AM

Everybody is out of step but John. I figured you out John you just like to stir the pot I’m on too you boy. Maybe you could tell us a hunting story that would be a nice change that is if you do hunt.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 11/25 at 10:21 AM

Quit your belly-aching and hunt harder.  Yes, we’ve all seen fewer deer this year but fault lies nowhere.  DNR can’t control weather which controls corn harvest which controls deer habitat.  If there is one thing that I would change with the way Illinois hunts, I would allow baiting.  Baiting would have helped draw deer out of the corn.  I know, what about CWD?  This argument is nonsense.  Deer are constantly touching each other and licking the same branches, etc.  Eating from the same bait pile would not affect CWD at all.  Lets see.  I can hunt over an apple tree that is dropping apples, but I can’t move those same apples to another area?  This is crazy!  Some think of baiting as playing dirty-pool…cheating.  So I ask this.  What is it when we take advantage of bucks with the use of doe-in-heat scents?  Poor guy gets it once a year and we trick him into thinking he’s on the trail of a hot and ready doe while he’s on his way to our treestands.  Grunt call, rattling horns, scent wick, pile of corn…what’s the difference?  Actually I think that the use of food baits would help us hunters better control our deer herds by helping us to be more selective with what we shoot.  Seeing more deer within bow range would certainly help us control which deer we take.  It would also help rookies get a better look at a deer before they take their shot, eliminating the shooting of a lot of button bucks…something I really hate.  Stop blaming the IDNR for what they cannot control and start putting pressure on them to change some of the ridiculous rules/laws.  Let me know what you think guys.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 11/25 at 11:27 AM

treehugger… i stopped reading your post after you talked about baiting sorry You could use rifles too that might make the kill go back up too?

Yes this is a downward trend.  There is alot of people i think most work for the dnr game department that cant compare more than one piece of data at a time and see that last year the panic started when the kill was down… this year its down even more.  I think if the DNR started comparing this years kill with last years they would just go home with cluster headaches. 

I have had time to settle down my first post on this thread got removed smile

Tim… if its too hot for deer movement they say that in their post… one year in the 90s it was hot but they increased tags to like double so there was like a 10 percent increase in kill.  So they stated ” warm weather increased hunter participation” no the fact that everyone had a backpack full of tags increased it.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 11/25 at 12:00 PM

treehugger you make some good points but baiting I can’t agree with that one. Grunt calls, rattling and scents are one thing but bait piles and salt blocks thats another. It’s about hunting not killing. And say we could bait I would bet the deer herd wouldn’t last long because I know you have   seen where some people feed deer thru the winter. You can train a deer just like any other animal and I’m afraid the killing would begain. One year like this one the farmer didn’t get about two acres of corn out where I hunt and about 3:30 here the deer come, like shooting fish in a barrel. I did get my deer but I wouldn’t call it hunting.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 11/25 at 12:07 PM

I used to hunt Wisconsin a lot.  I hunted over baited and non-baited stands.  To be honest, I had more deer sightings over bait, but not more kills.  From my minimal experience hunting over a pile of corn, the deer coming to the bait were extremely cautious to the point of watching the pile from 100 yeards out for more than an hour…then waiting till dark to hit it.  Even if baiting were legal in Illinois, I don’t think I’d do it.  I hunt almost every morning before work and as many evenings as possible.  I just enjoy hunting and seeing deer.  I also appreciate my own work ethic when it comes to deer hunting.  I just think the IDNR’s reason for not allowing baiting is nonsense, that’s all.  I’d rather a deer come past my stand with their normal caution…no need to have them on even more high alert.  I guess I’m just tired of non-baiting states referring to those hunters who hunt in other states that allow baiting as cheaters.  I use doe-in-heat scents a lot… I mean a lot.  Wouldn’t that make me a hypocrate for ripping on someone who hunts over a food bait?  We can argue this one all day long, but baiting is baiting.  Food, scent, whatever.  We can call a bottle of Tink’s a lure or a tool, but isn’t it really just bait?  Either way, I do not feel that deer numbers are down.  On my own property, I know for a fact that my deer numbers are up from last year.  I get this info with trail cams and Summer sightings in my food plots and hay field.  That being said, I’ve seen fewer deer this season than ever.  I saw tons of them the first two weeks of bow, but once I taught them it was game-on, they started hiding in the corn.  They’re not idiots.  They know how to avoid us.  It doesn’t take a brilliant deer to figure this out.  Are deer numbers down?  Maybe a little, but I can say without any reservations at all that the standing corn is EXACTLY why deer numbers are down.  If you can’t see them, you can’t shoot them.  For those who say deer do not bed in the corn, you’re nuts.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 11/25 at 12:34 PM

More tags + More people + More seasons = Fewer deer. The DNR could control all three of those factors, but herd reduction is priority #1 (not QDM). We shouldn’t be the least bit surprised by these preliminary figures. I don’t know how long this trend will continue though because simple supply-and-demand economics suggests that there will be a point at which deer numbers will have declined so much that the DNR can’t sell enough permits due to lack of interest among residents and NRs - in which case, deer numbers will start to rebound. I hate to imagine how long that might take.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 11/25 at 12:53 PM

I hunt private land in McHenry County.  I was out all three days sun up to sun down with 2 hour breaks for lunch.  Saw nothing Friday at all.  In the morning heard 7 shots total on other land nearby.  Saturday morning, buddy got a 1 1/2 yr buck.  he saw about 3 deer.  I shot another 1 1/2 yr buck on access road coming back from lunch.  That’s the only deer I saw the whole weekend.
Sunday morning, owner got a nice 8 point.  Another hunter rattled 3 smallish bucks, missed them all as they were running.  Not much else seen. 
All corn and soy was harvested.
Looking forward to the next hunt in Dec.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 11/28 at 10:05 AM

We talked a long time at the McHenry check station with a DNR Biologist who told us the DNR plan was to kill as many deer as possible to get rid of CWD.  Our deer were all clean.  He said the plan is working well and that neighboring states were there observing what Illinois was doing so they could clean up CWD in their states.  He acknowledged that numbers would be down until they could start building the deer population back up with reduced hunter quotas following the CWD cleanup.
Don’t know if that is all true but that is what we were told.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 11/28 at 10:12 AM

Walmsley for president ... Dungluster for wal-mart janitor. Some hunters have the game figured out and want what is best for the Illinois deer herd while others are so impressed with their own limited hunting abilities that nothing else matters ..... especially something as trivial as the future of our states deer herd.

 

 

 


Interesting observation - take guys like Walmsley or Marc Anthony who are a couple of the states premier hunters and they are never on here bragging about their own accomplishments but instead are looking to make the Illinois deer herd better for everyone including future generations. Then you have these ... “people” .... who get on here and brag because even in a down year they still managed to kill a deer. BIG DEAL! I bet Marc and Tim have passed bigger bucks than most people posting on this site have ever shot, and probably did so this year. AND THEY GET CALLED WHINERS! GET REAL! Wanting to improve something and discussing the current problems is not what makes a whiner. A whiner is the loser who spouts off his pie-hole without ever offering any actions to improve what he is complaining about.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 11/28 at 01:46 PM

chasnune… are you are it was a ” biologist” If he was he told you a blatant lie. 

http://greatnorthernoutdoors.net/blog-ds/?p=91

Killing off the deer will not work to keep that area from having the prion in the soil and prions dont die over time.  They will do no good killing them all off then allowing them to come back.  But.. i dont doubt that there are biologist in this state that dumb so i do believe you. 

I wonder if the biologist are suppose to say anything they can to make the hunting public go kill more deer.  If its a blatant lie then its a blatant lie then its a blatant lie. 

Higgins… i would promise tim and marc have let bigger deer than i go this year… :( Its terrible! Granted ive been hunting one deer all year… and my group has only killed 2 deer this year.  A 4.5 year old 120ish 8 and a 135 ish 9.  We let a big 150 ish 8 walk no me but my buddy same buddy hit a limb yesterday on a 150ish ten.  The best deer ive let walk… a 3.5 year old 6 pointer :(

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 11/28 at 02:33 PM

I dont know walmsley or anthony i like there articles but what i do know is we picked 600 acres of corn saturday night and i saw fifty plus does and 3 shooter bucks all 3 bucks held tight like pheasants we shot one buck friday no does the farm next door killed out saw 70 plus deer corn was gone on them corn is not only a preferred food source for deer it also makes excellent cover weather for second season looks great but even if it wasnt go anyway your not going to kill one whining on this web site I am taking two boys who have never been in the woods before i hope they catch the fever i caught 30 yrs ago

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 11/29 at 12:01 AM

we picked 600 acres of corn saturday night and i saw fifty plus does… Do you have 20 combines?

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 11/29 at 10:11 AM

I’ll only speak from my experience this wk- have neighbors shelling corn all around my border- Evidently the deer here in the Not_so Golden Triangle, haven’t been told they’re suppose to be living in the corn-because NONE came out of any of it- My Tenant shelled corn on me yesterday-Number of deer that had no where to go and came a runnin?? 0—-And yet the monday eve after gun season, my 30 acre alfalfa field- which is still bordered by 160 acres of corn, had 31 deer in it- all came out of the timber- None came out of the corn-and this field is bordered on the other end by an 80 acre timber that has so many gun hunters in it, it takes 5 trucks to get them all in! Now you’d think that after the 30th deer slug shot on opening day, those deer would have been brown streaks headed to that corn- but they didn’t-they only moved a couple of hundred yards- So I guess things can be very different from one part of the state to another-

That was funny Clint- I thought the same thing- They are wollering in the mud here and it’s very slow shelling-

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 11/29 at 05:47 PM

Tim, its just BS.  Deer live in nasty corn fields The clean big ones without weeds hold almost no deer.  And here is something else for you guys.  Father has hunted since before this county was open for deer hunting.  He shot his 100th buck this year.  All of which 2.5 or older… hes disabled and stopped trophy hunting in about 1990.  He has a hat with pins on it from the 70s.  He is an oil invester so he has hunted ample time.  I myself hunt more per year than anyone i know.  We have both hunted near many corn fields.  And have NEVER seen a deer eat corn off a standing stalk before DEC.  As far as crop damage, coons outwork deer on corn 10-1 or over.  The heat and lower deer population were the primary causes for first season problems. 

This site is a joke really.  Im not sure how many people on here even deer hunt when the rut isnt in.  Heck there are people on here giving their account on it that cant even spell deer literally.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 11/29 at 06:03 PM

Good one Higgins (Dungluster aka waste of cytoplasm) who knows all.  With all this standing corn talk I’m gonna throw in my two cents for what its worth.  Every year since we bought our place I have left 4-5 acres of standing corn in one bottom field and since there is high-pressure hunting around me you would think that the deer would pile in and out of it.  Not the case, they feed it and disappear back into the woods.  So I don’t buy this the deer are living in the corn theory.  Do they spend some time in it? Yes, do they stay in it, NO.
I once asked a prominant deer biologist this same question and he snickered. His reply was that they primarily use corn for security cover while traveling to and from.  Rarely do they live in it. BTW I said prominant deer biologist not one from IDNR whom only play a deer biologist.  Wanna disprove this theory, spend enough time in a combine in a heavily hunted area and you will find the truth.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 11/29 at 10:35 PM

well paul since u insist on being a Jack### it was 3 combines all day into the evening and yes some areas our still standing due to water we decided t leave them for the racoons Ha i dont want to dish on your dad thats a great accomplishment 100 bucks 2.5 yrs old wow talk about shooting some basket bucks let them mature then your number wouldnt be 100 but you did say you wer a poacher and poachers only hunt for meat and a 4.5 yr old 120ish buck you need to shoot him he probly has a disease oh wait your deer dont eat corn no wonder you only kill 2.5 yr olds we have decided to cancel second season and go coon hunting instead the little thiefs took us good we will fix them no wow all this time i thought deer hid in the corn and ate it to find out it was the racoons i guess my only question left unanswered is what is al that gold stuff in all deer i have field dressed is it poison from the dnr ?

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 11/29 at 11:04 PM

My Lord.  We’re all hunters.  Can’t we all have different opinions?  In some areas, deer spend much of thier time in corn when under pressure while in other places deer stick to the timber no matter what.  Are deer numbers down?  Of course they are.  Is standing corn one of the reasons we haven’t seen as many deer this season?  Of course it is. 

I have become a trophy hunter in the past 5 years or so.  I now shoot does and bigger bucks.  However, if someone is content with shooting smaller deer, then so beit.  Hunting is recreation.  If a 1.5 year-old buck moves you, pull the trigger.  Will shooting younger bucks ruin your property’s trophy potential?  Of course it will.  But that’s up to you to decide.  We all need to stop crapping on those who shoot smaller deer on their properties.  Even though I’ve turned into a head-hunter, I can honestly say that I used to like hunting more when I got all excited about every deer I saw…not just the big ones.  If it’s your property, manage the deer the way you want to.  Just don’t complain 5 years down the road that there are no big bucks on your property.  I used to check deer in at Jubilee State Park and I can remember seeing 50+ trucks lined up with a bed full of small bucks, including many button bucks, and every hunter complaining that all the big deer are gone.  It was a joke.  That being said, shoot what moves you…just don’t complain years later about a lack of trophies on your ground.  This has been a tough year, but if you put the time in irregardless of weather and other conditions, you’ll get your big buck.  Though most of my deer spent most of their time in the corn this year, I did get my two good bucks.  I practice regularly and have increased my effective range along with spending tons of time in the woods.  It sucks being selective on bucks when you only see one every 10th or 20th time you’re out, but if you stick to your plan, chances are you’ll get your big buck. 

Bottom line….everybody quit your bellyaching.  Remember the old addage, Let’s Pull Together?  Fighting within does not help anything.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 11/30 at 10:02 AM

Hunter770 i understand that was suppose to be an insult to me but that kinda backfired on an educated person.  Do you realize that you type that as one sentence?

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 11/30 at 10:29 AM

If i insulted you clint then i apoligize. Everybody is going all chicken little on this site.Hunt this weekend then lets determine what is happening to our herd.record number of permits issued was for one reason generate income.The last time i checked Illinois ranked second only behind California in debt. Once again sorry if i insulted you but i have an appt with the timber what r your thoughts about these comments.1.of the 360thousand permits issued how many hunters actually had a place to hunt when permits were due?2.How many anti hunters are buying permits.3 How many bowhunters killed out and didnt even go shotgun hunting I know of four.Look forward to yours and everyone elses response

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 11/30 at 11:22 AM

I have a friend in South Dakota who owns 40,000 acres-all row crops- Buddies are pheasant hunting there now- He has 13,000 acre of corn in still- they’re running 4 combines -all with 12 row heads- start at 7a.m.-and go to 10p.m.- are taking out around 600 acres a day-

No deer running out, BUT Lots of Birds! They’ve shot over 200 roosters- the first afternoon, they saw over 1000 hens! Incredible! I want to forget these dam deer and go do that!

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 11/30 at 12:05 PM

Tim, ya know what ya get after a good day duck,geese,pheasents hunting?  A truck full of dead birds.  Some foils guy at the state show didnt like my saying much.  Birds just dont do it for me. 

Hunter… thats better.  I do feel all of your comments are valid.  I do feel several factors are effecting this.  I think the locals have killed off the deer herd on alot of the general private ground.. you know the ground almost anyone can hunt but its still ” private”.  I had 1000 acres of this i was shooting p and ys from until last year.  Last year this land became almost a complete waste of time.  Methheads and lower deer population made it not worth the trouble when i have better ground.  Last year was the first year i shot a trophy buck on posted land.  Anti hunters arent buying that many tags if they are… they are retarded because no one is having trouble getting all the tags they want.  I know a guy with 26 land owner tags and doesnt hardly own a tree.  3.  I dont know about bowhunters being ” killed out” i do think the technology of bowhunting and the fact it is so much more of an enjoyable experience to people who enjoy the outdoors has decreased the participation during gun season over the last 20 years.  But with that, you have the increase in technology on shotguns.  When i first started gun hunting, 75 yards was a long shot.  Now 75 is a gimmie.  I have two friends who can shoot a deer at 200-300 yards legally during gun season.  This should make the shots per kill decrease in theory.  I do know there are lots out there still with grandpas ole 16 gauge though.  This year im only gun hunting places that i cant bowhunt or dont bowhunt that are posted.  Im really not certain i would shoot one if it came by but my father is older and wants me to atleast be out in the woods with him during it… and i owe him that.  This isnt a 1 year decrease.  I hunt one of the largest counties in the state i hunt about 2/3s of the county.  I have seen some county blocks wiped out while others seems to be doing ok.  One corner of the county would probably approach west central IL numbers while others more like central IL areas.  The herd was evenly scattered in the 90s.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 11/30 at 09:59 PM

That silly anti- hunter rumor has gone around for years. DNR did a cross check several years ago chcecking the permits to make sure the permit holders checked bought habitat stamps, hunting licenses, had FOID cards, and had previous years licenses and or permits. They found not one single case of anti- hunters buying up a single permits. Some of the guys sitting around in the bars need to come up with some new material, they keep recycleing the same crap every year.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 12/01 at 04:10 AM

How did the dnr do a cross check? Where on a paper permit application does it call for a foid card habitat stamp or even a license.They r not hunting but simply buying permits. which until recently could really matter if you wanted to hunt an area with a limited number of permits.Unfortunatly its not a bar rumor.And if the DNR did a check I wouldnt wipe my A## with it

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 12/01 at 03:21 PM

you dont have to have a customer number lic or habitat stamp to purchase a permit all u need is social security number which is checked by family services for dead beat dads who arent paying child support. I think what the colonel is talking about happened at a state managed site up north hunters were being harassesd by anti hunters in the park but they all had the required permits I could buy a permit every year and never buy a hunting lic hab stamp and nothing would happen unless i got checked in the field or tried to check one in. Not that i would do that but it can and is being done. Weather looks great for second season but i will state it first the full moon srewed us they moved all night good luck to everyone

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 12/01 at 05:25 PM

hunter, i think the full mood and the fact the rut is over will be the excuses this season now that they dont have the corn to use as an excuse now. 

Hunted a place tonight i was seeing 8 deer a hunt this year before the corn was out seen only 5 today… i think logic would state that they are hiding in the plowed corn field…

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 12/01 at 07:00 PM

our deer sightings have went from 5 before the corn to now ten or more i think the rut is over but there r does still cycling which means the big boys will be moving early and late at least thats my 2 cents well c thursday

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 12/01 at 07:29 PM

Wow clint, love how you mention to others about their grammar and what not in their post and how educated you are.  Then I start reading yours and I have to stop, re-read sentence, try and figure out what the heck you just tried to spell, then continue. People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 12/02 at 05:34 AM

I do agree with tim and don and thier views on why the deer numbers are down but I would like to point out that the new tags are a joke.
They are used for more than one deer, by the good old boys that live right here in this state.
We need to go back to the tags that stick together and can not be removed and reused
To the hunters that get permits in thier wife’s or girlfriends name so thay can shoot more than two bucks please stop this pratice   thank you Ray

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 12/08 at 07:11 PM

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